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以下是加利福尼亚州民主党众议员泰德·刘的采访实录，该采访于2026年5月10日在《玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 接下来我们连线加利福尼亚州众议员泰德·刘。他是民主党党团会议副主席，同时也是外交事务委员会成员。今天上午他将在洛杉矶参与我们的节目。早上好。
众议员泰德·刘（加州民主党）： 早上好，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你身处民主党领导层。我们刚刚报道了选区重划的最新进展。考虑到近期的法院判决，你有多担心共和党现在占据了优势？
众议员刘： 谢谢你的提问，玛格丽特。首先我要祝全美所有母亲母亲节快乐。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 谢谢。
众议员刘： 关于你的问题，我不同意共和党可能坐拥9个席位优势的说法，因为这个数据是基于上一届任期的，而特朗普阵营已经因为油价飙升、通胀高企彻底土崩瓦解。如果你看看民调数据以及今年和去年的特别选举结果，我们认为共和党可能仅会额外获得3到5个席位的优势。这不足以让他们阻止民主党在今年11月掀起的蓝色浪潮。当法院做出离谱的判决时，比如弗吉尼亚州最高法院的裁决，最好的应对方式就是站起来继续斗争，确保我们在中期选举中获胜。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但民主党在弗吉尼亚州投入了超过6000万美元用于选区重划斗争。这些资金是不是更应该花在那些一线候选人身上，或是用来围绕议题展开宣传？
众议员刘： 弗吉尼亚州最高法院的所作所为不仅错误，而且可耻。他们基本上是在说：“弗吉尼亚州，你们花了所有纳税人的钱举办选举，做了所有该做的事，哦，对了，开玩笑的，那场选举不算数。” 法院本可以一开始就叫停这场选举，他们欺骗了弗吉尼亚州的民众，这完全是一场丑闻。现在，民主党在这场竞选中投入的大部分资金都是（c）（4）类资金，也就是我们不需要用于中期选举的非直接硬资金。但因为这场可耻的闹剧，浪费的是纳税人的钱——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——你认为这笔钱花得值吗？——你认为这场财务投入是值得的。我的意思是，民主党会继续在法庭上抗争到底吗？
众议员刘： 我们会审视所有可行的选项。我们肯定会继续为这场战斗而努力。我还要再次强调，如果有人把你打倒在地，最好的办法就是立刻爬起来反击。我们也会这么做。在弗吉尼亚州的这四个席位中，我们相信会在中期选举中拿下其中两个，这就是我们正在做的事：反击。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，所以你仍然相信民主党能够夺回众议院？你们的核心信息是什么？
众议员刘： 我们会夺回众议院——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——围绕什么信息？
众议员刘： 美国民众投票给唐纳德·特朗普是因为他们想要降低生活成本，但他欺骗了他们。现在通胀高企、油价飙升。特朗普的关税政策推高了美国众多商品的成本。民众深陷债务和账单的泥潭，而民主党会降低医疗保健成本、全面降低开支、减少你的能源成本。这就是我们的宣传信息——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——你们打算如何做到这一点？民主党曾为了医保议题而迫使政府停摆，但没有获得任何政策让步，而且保费还上涨了。你们输掉了那场斗争。
众议员刘： 实际上，我们已经在众议院通过了将《平价医疗法案》税收抵免延长三年的法案。我们敦促参议院也通过这项立法。当民主党重新掌控国会时，我们将推翻特朗普和共和党去年实施的大规模医疗补助削减、医保削减以及《平价医疗法案》相关削减措施。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 让我问问你在外交事务委员会的相关立场。鲁比奥国务卿表示，特朗普总统本周访华会见习近平期间可能会讨论台湾问题。这是一场极其重要的峰会。周五，台湾议会通过了250亿美元的经费用于采购更多美国武器。你目前基本支持特朗普政府加强台湾防务的意愿吗？
众议员刘： 民主党和共和党政府一直以来都秉持完全相同的政策，即维持当前的现状，努力阻止中国在印太地区做出任何愚蠢举动，包括军事冲突。我想强调的是，伊朗战争表明我们需要在印太地区制定全新的战略，因为一旦与中国或俄罗斯发生长期冲突，美国的防御弹药将会耗尽。在一场持续不到60天的战争中，我们就已经开始出现防御弹药短缺的情况，即便对手是伊朗这样的二流军事力量，他们也袭击了多个美军基地。因此，在任何海外冲突中，我们的海外基地都会被俄罗斯和中国摧毁。我们需要新的国防战略，我呼吁五角大楼向国会提交这份战略。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 那么，特朗普总统曾承诺向台湾出售创纪录规模的武器。你是说美国实际上无法兑现这些承诺，因为库存太过匮乏，工业产能无法跟上吗？
众议员刘： 完全正确。如果与俄罗斯和中国发生长期冲突，我们的防御弹药不足以支撑我们的作战需求。即便是在针对伊朗的不到60天的战争中，我们就已经开始出现防御弹药短缺的情况。部分问题在于，部分导弹的生产周期很长。我们每年仅能生产96枚这类防御导弹，这远远不够。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我想问问你关于人工智能的问题。《纽约时报》报道称，特朗普总统正在考虑一项行政命令，对新型人工智能模型实施政府监管。我知道你有关于音频缺口的相关立法。
众议员刘： 首先我想说，作为一名曾就读计算机科学专业的人士，我认为人工智能行业放任自流是非常糟糕的，我们需要合理的监管护栏。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，明白了——
众议员刘： 你能听到我说话吗？
玛格丽特·布伦南： 抱歉，我想我们的信号——是的，我想我们俩都出现了音频问题，众议员。不过我要先去插播广告了。谢谢你。
Transcript: Rep. Ted Lieu on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” May 10, 2026
2026-05-10T12:31:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Ted Lieu, Democrat of California, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on May 10, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to California Congressman Ted Lieu. He is the vice chair of the Democratic Caucus and a member of the foreign affairs committee. He joins us this morning from Los Angeles. Good morning to you.
REP. TED LIEU (D-CA): Good morning, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you are in Democratic leadership. You just heard us lay out what’s going on with redistricting. How concerned are you that Republicans now hold the advantage given the recent court decisions.
REP. LIEU: Thank you, Margaret, for that question. Let me just first say Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers across America.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you.
REP. LIEU: Regarding your question, I would disagree that Republicans may have a nice- nine seat advantage, because that’s based on data from last term, and the Trump coalition has completely collapsed because of skyrocketing gas prices, surging inflation. And if you look at the polling data and the results we’ve had in special elections this year as well as last year, we think the Republicans may have an advantage of anywhere between three to five additional seats. That is not enough for them to stop a democratic blue wave coming this November. And the best thing to do when a court does something outlandish, like the Virginia Supreme Court is to get back up and fight and make sure we win in the midterms.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But that Virginia push by Democrats, you spent more than $60 million on that redistricting effort. Wouldn’t those funds have been better spent on those front line candidates and arguing on the issues?
REP. LIEU: So what the Virginia Supreme Court did was not only wrong, it was disgraceful. They basically said, hey, Virginia, spend all this taxpayers’ money holding an election, do all this stuff and, oh, by the way, just kidding, that election didn’t count. The court could have stopped this by not having the election in the first place. They suckered the people of Virginia. It was a complete disgrace. Now, most of the money that Democrats spend in the race is called (c)(4) money, so that’s not direct, hard money that we’re going to need for races in the midterms. But it was taxpayers money that was wasted because of the disgraceful–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –You think it was worth–, you think it was worth the financial cost. I mean, are Democrats going to somehow continue to fight this in court?
REP. LIEU: We’re going to look at all available options. We’re definitely going to try to keep fighting this battle. And I just want to note the best way again, if someone shoves you down, is to get right back up and fight back. And that’s what we’re going to do. And of these four seats in Virginia, we believe we’re going to win two of them in the midterms, and that’s what we’re doing. We’re fighting back.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so you still believe that Democrats can retake the House? What is your main message?
REP. LIEU: We will take the House–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –On what message?
REP. LIEU: The American people voted in Donald Trump because they wanted lower costs and he lied to them. We have surging inflation, skyroti- skyrocketing gas prices. The Trump tariffs have raised costs across many products across America. People are drowning in debt and in bills, and Democrats are going to reduce health care costs, lower costs across the board, reduce your energy costs. That’s the message we’re–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –How are you going to do that? Democrats shut down the government to have an argument over health care, and they didn’t get any policy concessions, and premiums went up. You lost that fight.
REP. LIEU: Well, actually, we passed through the house an extension of ACA tax credits for three years. We urged the Senate to pass that legislation as well, Democrats, when we get control, we’re going to reverse the massive Medicaid cuts, the Medicare cuts and the cuts to ACA that Trump and Republicans put in last year.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about your position on the foreign affairs committee. Secretary Rubio said Taiwan will likely be discussed during President Trump’s visit to China this week to meet with Xi Jinping. This is a hugely consequential summit. On Friday, Taiwan’s Parliament approved $25 billion in funds to buy more American weapons. Are you largely supportive at this point of the Trump administration’s willingness to strengthen Taiwan’s defense?
REP. LIEU: Both Democratic and Republican administrations have had the exact same policy, which is to preserve the current status quo, and we’re trying to keep China from doing anything stupid in the Indo-Pacific, including a military conflict. And I just want to emphasize that the Iran war has shown that we need a brand new strategy in the Indo-Pacific, because in any prolonged conflict with China or Russia, the U.S. will run out of defensive munitions. We already started running out of defensive munitions in a war that lasted less than 60 days, and even against a second rate military like Iran, they struck multiple U.S. bases. So in any overseas conflict, our overseas bases will be obliterated by Russia and China. We need a new defense strategy, and I call on the Pentagon to deliver that to Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, President Trump has made these record large promises of arms sales to Taiwan. Are you saying that America actually can’t deliver on them because the stockpiles are so depleted and the industrial base can’t deliver?
REP. LIEU: That’s absolutely correct. We don’t have enough defensive munitions in any prolonged conflict with Russia and China that will sustain what we need to do. We could even do this in Iran of a war of less than 60 days. We started to run low on defensive munitions, and part of the problem is some of these missiles, for example, take a long time to make. We basically make 96 of some of these defensive missiles a year. That’s just not enough.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about AI The Times report– The New York Times reported that President Trump is considering an executive order that would implement some government oversight over new AI models. I know you have legislation on audio gap.
REP. LIEU: I just want to first say, as a recovering computer science major, I think it is horrible for the AI industry to run wild, we need to have reasonable guardrails.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yep, okay–
REP. LIEU: Can you hear me?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sorry, I think we’re having- yeah, I think we’re both having audio issues there, Congressman. But I’m going to go to commercial break here. Thank you.
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