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文字记录:救助儿童会主席兼首席执行官詹蒂·苏里亚普托做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目,2026年5月10日
2026-05-10T12:18:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻

以下是2026年5月10日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中播出的对前救助儿童会主席兼首席执行官詹蒂·苏里亚普托的采访文字记录。


玛格丽特·布伦南:接下来我们有请詹蒂·苏里亚普托,她是美国救助儿童会主席兼首席执行官,该机构致力于为全球儿童提供人道主义援助和医疗资源。非常高兴你能在这个母亲节来到我们的节目。

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:谢谢你,玛格丽特,也祝你母亲节快乐。

玛格丽特·布伦南:你刚从苏丹回来,那里是世界上为人父母,尤其是为人母者最艰难的地方之一。教皇利奥称其为一场非人道的悲剧。联合国表示有3400万人急需援助。我知道美国正努力推动人道主义停火,但请和我们说说你在当地的所见所闻。

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:玛格丽特,这确实是全世界最严重的人道主义危机,数百万人急需帮助,而且这或许也是一场需求与关注度最不成正比的危机。我花了整整四天时间才抵达我们在当地资助的第一所学校。因此,将援助送到儿童和母亲手中所面临的后勤和行动障碍,简直难以想象。你必须穿越多个武装团体控制的区域。这真的、真的是最后一公里难题,而且需求规模实在令人震惊。我在世界各地见过不少紧急局势,也去过不少脆弱国家,但这次的情况绝对是最严重的之一。

玛格丽特·布伦南:我知道美国方面称这本质上是一场代理人战争,但从人道主义需求来看,让我感到极为震惊的是性暴力的严重程度。

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:没错。

玛格丽特·布伦南:据联合国称,性暴力被系统性地用作战争战术。联合国数据显示,有1300万人,其中大部分是妇女和女童,需要针对此类暴力的援助。这个数字是冲突爆发前的四倍。无国界医生表示,这场战争“打在妇女和女童的身上与心上”,同时他们也指责援助团体行动不力。你认为援助团体真的做得不够吗?

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:我们已经尽了全力,但我也认同目前的援助还远远不够。我们根本没有足够的资源。我完全同意你的说法。我在当地听到的情况,不过是冰山一角,已经令人难以置信。我们在当地有约150名同事,我去的达尔富尔地区的同事们全都失去了家园,他们自己也流离失所。他们大多来自法希尔,去年10月那里发生了大量暴力事件。我认识一位同事,她不得不带着16岁的女儿步行逃亡。女儿遭到了威胁,她奋起反抗。我看到了她脸上的伤疤。她拼尽全力保护女儿,让女儿能够活下去、远离危险,最终她成功逃了出来,被人救了下来。这个故事算是有个还算圆满的结局,但绝大多数人都没有这么幸运。我从和我交谈过的妇女眼中就能看到这一点。她们不眠不休地走了好几天,只为保住自己和家人的性命。我到访的达尔富尔北部地区,有70万流离失所者聚集在一片沙漠地带,那里绝大多数家庭都是女性户主家庭。男性要么被杀、要么失踪,要么就加入了作战团体。所以这些女性正拼尽一切,努力让自己和家人活下去。

玛格丽特·布伦南:目前有大量人道主义援助物资因伊朗局势引发的战争被困在霍尔木兹海峡。这对我们向有需要的人运送物资的能力造成了多大影响?

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:没错,这确实印证了我们的说法:这就是战争代价的又一例证,对吧?战争不仅有人员伤亡的代价,还有经济代价,而经济代价最终也会转化为人员伤亡的代价。目前我们有约50万份物资库存仍滞留在迪拜,无法运出,其中包括药品。正如大家 everywhere 都能听到的那样,运输成本也上涨了。我们用于治疗婴幼儿营养不良的Plumpy’nut营养治疗食品,现在的价格比战前上涨了12%到15%。而且运输时间也变长了,因为我们不得不寻找替代路线,而不是战前的直达航线。所以,没错,情况变得更困难了。我们的供应链团队一直以来都极具创造力和适应性,因为在苏丹境内开展后勤工作本身就极为困难:要获得授权,就连柏油路在西达尔富尔边境附近就只有一小时车程那么一段,之后就全是极其崎岖的土路。所以,哪怕只是把物资运到当地,也要花上好几天,有时甚至几周时间。

玛格丽特·布伦南:我们再来谈谈中东问题。白宫方面表示,在加沙实施特朗普总统的20点和平计划方面“取得了巨大进展”。我知道你和其他一些组织都曾指出,加沙停火六个月后,这项计划已经失败。这两种说法对当地局势的描述截然不同。当地到底是什么情况?

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:我们对照20点计划,实实在在地检视了我们在当地的所见所闻。我们结合了自己员工的目击报告、联合国及其他机构的公开数据,逐一评估:暴力事件是否减少了?援助物资和工作人员能否不受限制地通行?我们据此进行了评分,并公布了评估方法,我们坚持自己基于事实得出的结论。我们在加沙有200名员工,他们每天都在开展英勇的工作。

玛格丽特·布伦南:没错。

詹蒂·苏里亚普托:我们仍然极难将援助物资运入加沙,也无法让工作人员轮换入境。所以,就目前情况而言,这项计划并没有发挥作用。

玛格丽特·布伦南:詹蒂·苏里亚普托,感谢你所做的工作。我们马上回来。

Transcript: Save the Children President and CEO Janti Soeripto on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” May 10, 2026

2026-05-10T12:18:00-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of the interview with former Save the Children President and CEO Janti Soeripto that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on May 10, 2026.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to Janti Soeripto, she is the president and CEO of Save the Children U.S., which works to provide humanitarian aid and health resources to children worldwide. Good to have you here on this Mother’s Day.

JANTI SOERIPTO: Thank you, Margaret and Happy Mother’s Day.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re just back from Sudan, which is one of the hardest places in the world to be a parent, certainly to be a mother. Pope Leo called it an inhumane tragedy. The UN says 34 million people need urgent assistance. I know the US is trying to work on a humanitarian ceasefire, but tell me what you saw there on the ground.

JANTI SOERIPTO: Well Margaret, it is truly the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, millions of people in need, and probably also the one that gets the least attention relative to the need. It literally took me four days to actually get from here to see the first school that we are supporting there. So, the level of logistical and operational impediments to actually get support to children and mothers where they are is unbelievably difficult. You have to cross multiple lines of various militant groups. It is truly, truly the last mile and- and the scale of the need is- is really astonishing. I see a lot of emergency situations across the world, I see a lot of fragile states, but this was really right up there.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I know the U.S. has said this is essentially a proxy fight now, but when you look at the humanitarian need, some of the statistics that were flooring to me here was the degree of sexual violence.

JANTI SOERIPTO: Yeah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It is systematically used as a tactic of war, according to the UN. 13 million people, mostly women and girls, require support, according to the UN, related to that kind of violence. That’s four times higher than before the conflict. Doctors Without Borders said the war is being ‘fought on the backs and bodies of women and girls,’ but they fault aid groups for not doing enough. Do you think aid groups are?

JANTI SOERIPTO: We’re doing what we can, but I would certainly agree that it is not enough. We simply do not have the resources. And I would agree. What I- what I heard there, and that is just a tiny tip of the iceberg, was completely, you know, unbelievable. Our colleagues there, we have about 150 colleagues in Darfur, which is the area where I was, all of those have lost their home. They are displaced themselves. They have lost their homes. Most of them came from El Fasher, where a lot of the violence occurred last October. I spoke to a colleague of mine who had to walk with her 16-year-old daughter. The daughter was threatened. She fought. I mean, I saw the scars on her face. She fought to- to help her daughter, to keep her daughter alive and safe, and then she did get out and was essentially rescued by- by somebody. So this one had a somewhat happy ending, but so, so many don’t have that, and you see it in the eyes of the women that I spoke to. You know, they walked for days without sleep, just trying to keep themselves and their families alive. Most of the households in the north of Darfur, where I was, where there are 700,000 displaced people in one stretch of desert, the vast majority of those households are women-led households. The men are either- have either been killed or have disappeared or-or have joined the fighting groups. So these women are literally doing everything they can to keep their families and themselves alive.

MARGARET BRENNAN: There’s a lot of humanitarian aid that’s stuck in that strait of Hormuz right now because of the war in Iran. How significant is the impact on the ability to give goods to those who need it?

JANTI SOERIPTO: Yeah, it is truly what we say. You know, this is another element of the example of the cost of war, right? There is a human cost. And then there’s the financial costs, which also lead to human costs. We have currently about a half million stocks still stuck in Dubai that we can’t get out, medicine, drugs. Costs of transport have gone up, as you hear everywhere. So, you know, the Plumpy’nut treatment for malnutrition for young infants and children who are minors is now, what is it? 12 to 15% more expensive than it was before- before the war. So- and it takes longer to get there, because we have to find alternative routes in order- you know- versus the direct route we had. So, yes, it makes it harder, and our supply chain teams have already- who have to be incredibly creative and adaptive all the time because the logistics in the country are also incredibly difficult to get authorization, to- I mean, the tarmac road ended an hour after- from the border in western Darfur. So from then on in, it is essentially a very, very rocky road. So to get stuff there, even physically, is- it takes days and sometimes weeks.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about the Middle East. The White House says there is ‘tremendous progress’ on implementing President Trump’s 20-point peace plan in Gaza. I know you and a number of other organizations said, six months into the Gaza ceasefire, the plan is failing. Those are two incredibly different accounts of what’s happening on the ground. What is happening on the ground?

JANTI SOERIPTO: So we’ve taken the 20-point plan and- and we literally looked at, okay, so what are we seeing on the ground? So we took the data, our own staff accounts of what they were witnessing, publicly available data from the UN and others, to say, okay, so is there less violence? Is there access, unfettered access, for supplies and for staff? And- and we scored them accordingly. We’ve published a methodology, and we stand by those, by those facts as we see them. There is still- we- we have 200 staff in Gaza who do heroic work every day.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

JANTI SOERIPTO: It is incredibly difficult for us to get supplies in. We cannot get staff in and rotate it so, no that- that plan, as it stands, is- is not working.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Janti Soeripto, thank you for the work you are doing. We’ll be right back.

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