作者 [杰克·塔珀]
21分钟前
发布于 2026年3月2日，美国东部时间上午10:15
唐纳德·特朗普 中东
总统唐纳德·特朗普周一上午在接受美国有线电视新闻网（CNN）长达九分钟的电话采访中表示，美军正在“狠狠地打击伊朗”——但“巨浪”尚未到来。
“我们正在狠狠地打击他们，”特朗普对CNN的杰克·塔珀说道，“我认为进展非常顺利，非常有力。我们拥有世界上最强大的军队，并且正在使用它。”
特朗普在采访中广泛谈到了一系列话题，包括冲突可能持续的时间、伊朗出人意料的广泛报复以及该国预期的继任计划。
当被问及战争可能持续多久时，总统表示：“我不希望它持续太久。我一直认为会是四个星期，而我们现在稍微提前了一些。”
当被问及美国是否除了军事打击之外还在采取更多行动帮助伊朗人民从政权手中重新夺回国家控制权时，特朗普回答：“是的。”
“我们确实在这么做，但目前我们希望所有人都待在室内，外面不安全。”
总统称，情况即将变得更加危险。
“我们甚至还没有开始对他们进行猛烈打击。巨浪还没有发生，真正的巨浪很快就会到来。”
到目前为止最大的意外
总统表示，到目前为止，“最大的意外”是伊朗对该地区阿拉伯国家的袭击，包括巴林、约旦、科威特、卡塔尔和阿拉伯联合酋长国。
“我们感到惊讶，”特朗普说，“我们告诉他们‘我们已经控制局面了’，但现在他们想要战斗，并且正在积极地战斗。他们本打算很少参与，但现在坚持要参与进来。”
总统对CNN表示，“我了解这些人，他们既强硬又聪明。”
他说，伊朗人“向一家酒店开枪，向一栋公寓楼开枪，这只会让他们更加愤怒。他们爱我们，但他们在观望。他们没有理由参与进来。”
对于伊朗对他们的袭击，他表示“这可能是最大的意外。”
特朗普指出，伊朗的核威胁长期以来一直是该地区的一个主要问题。
“你必须明白，他们多年来一直生活在那片乌云之下，”他说，“这就是为什么你永远无法实现和平。”
伊朗的权力继承
当被问及谁可能会成为伊朗的领导人时，特朗普表示：“我们不知道谁是领导层，也不知道他们会选择谁。也许他们会幸运地得到一个知道自己在做什么的人。”
他说，伊朗人因为最初的打击“失去了很多领导层”。
“49个人，”特朗普说，“那是一次惊人的打击。”
“他们因为所有人都聚集在一个地方而变得有点傲慢，”他补充道，“他们以为自己不会被发现，但其实他们不是不被发现，我们对此感到震惊。”
特朗普称，目前还不清楚谁在领导这个国家。
“他们甚至不知道现在谁在领导他们，”特朗普说，“我们已经除掉了49名伊朗领导人。”
“那些就是领导层，其中一些人正在被考虑，”特朗普说，但由于超过40多人被杀，“我们不知道现在谁在领导这个国家，他们自己也不知道谁在领导。这有点像失业救济线（没人知道该找谁）。”
“我们无法与这些人达成协议”
总统表示，他的团队曾试图与伊朗人谈判，但“我们无法与这些人达成协议”。他说，每一次新的提议都会被对方撤回之前的承诺。
特朗普称，伊朗人不同意停止铀浓缩。
“他们有大量的浓缩铀。他们想在那里重新开始，但已经糟糕透顶，基本上‘山’已经崩塌了，”特朗普说。
谈及他的军事行动，特朗普表示：“这是对付伊朗的方式。”
“我们不必担心协议，”他指出，自1979年革命以来，伊朗在该地区长期以来一直造成破坏。
“回顾37年前，实际上是47年前，接近50年前，看看发生了什么以及所有的死亡。军人有的没了腿，有的没了胳膊，脸都碎了，”他说。
特朗普说，他要求他的团队列出所有伊朗或伊朗支持的针对美国及其盟友和利益的袭击事件。
“在过去47年里，我说‘把所有的袭击都给我列出来’，如果我告诉你所有的袭击，我可能还在说。”
特朗普称，最新的军事行动是消除伊朗威胁长期战役的一部分。“我们上次除掉了苏莱曼尼，”他指的是2020年1月3日美国无人机对伊朗少将卡西姆·苏莱曼尼的打击。“他是一个极其暴力、残忍的将军。”
对苏莱曼尼的打击“是一大步，”总统说，“如果没有那次打击，今天的以色列可能就不存在了。以色列可能不会存在。”
“然后我们进行了‘午夜锤子’行动——非常重要，”总统说，指的是2025年6月美国对伊朗核设施的打击，“他们距离拥有核武器只有一个月的时间。”
批评奥巴马总统的核武器协议时，总统称“这是伊朗核协议，因为它把所有权力都交给了伊朗。他们本会在三四年内拥有核武器，并且会用它来对付以色列，可能也会用它来对付我们。”
“那个协议太糟糕了，”特朗普说，“它是通向核炸弹的道路。”
在最新的谈判中，伊朗人“不愿意给我们我们要求的东西，他们本应该这么做的。”
“所以目前进展顺利，”特朗普说完话挂断了电话。
唐纳德·特朗普 中东
Trump tells CNN the ‘big wave’ is yet to come in war with Iran
By
[Jake Tapper]
21 min ago
PUBLISHED Mar 2, 2026, 10:15 AM ET
Donald Trump The Middle East
President [Donald Trump] told CNN in a nine-minute phone interview Monday morning that the US military is “knocking the crap” out of Iran – but the “big wave” is yet to come.
“We’re knocking the crap out of them,” Trump told CNN’s Jake Tapper. “I think it’s going very well. It’s very powerful. We’ve got the greatest military in the world and we’re using it.”
Trump addressed a wide range of topics in the interview, including the expected length of the conflict, his surprise at [Iran’s widespread retaliation] and the country’s expected succession plan.
On how long the war might last, the president said, “I don’t want to see it go on too long. I always thought it would be four weeks. And we’re a little ahead of schedule.”
Asked if the US is doing more beyond the military assault to help the Iranian people regain control of their country from the regime, Trump said, “Yes.”
“We are indeed. But right now we want everyone staying inside. It’s not safe out there.”
And it’s about to get even less safe, the president said.
“We haven’t even started hitting them hard. The big wave hasn’t even happened. The big one is coming soon.”
The ‘biggest surprise’ so far
So far, the president said, “the biggest surprise” has been Iran’s attacks against Arab countries in the region: Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates
“We were surprised,” Trump said. “We told them, ‘We’ve got this,’ and now they want to fight. And they’re aggressively fighting. They were going to be very little involved and now they insist on being involved.”
Of the Arab leaders, the president told CNN, “I know these people. They’re tough and smart.”
The Iranians, he said, “shot into a hotel, they shot into an apartment house. It just made them angry. They love us, but they were watching. There was no reason for them to be involved.”
Of Iran’s attacks on them, he said “that was probably the biggest surprise.”
Trump pointed to the Iranian nuclear threat as having been a major issue in the region for some time.
“You have to understand, they were living under that dark cloud for years. That’s why you could never have peace,” he said.
Succession in Iran
On who might emerge to lead Iran, Trump said, “We don’t know who the leadership is. We don’t know who they’ll pick. Maybe they’ll get lucky and get someone who knows what they’re doing.”
The Iranians, he said, lost “a lot in terms of leadership” because of the initial strikes.
“Forty-nine people,” Trump said. “It was an amazing strike.”
“They got a little bit arrogant” by meeting all in one place, he added. “They thought they were undetectable. They weren’t undetectable. We were shocked by it.”
Trump said it was unclear who was now leading the country.
“They don’t even know who’s leading them now,” Trump said. “We went down 49” Iranian leaders.
“Those were the leaders, and some of them were being considered,” Trump said. But with more than four dozen killed, “we don’t know who’s leading the country now. They don’t know who’s leading. It’s a little like the unemployment line.”
‘We couldn’t make a deal with these people’
The president said that his team tried to negotiate with the Iranians but “we couldn’t make a deal with these people.” Every new offer, he said, was met with a walk-back of previous offers.
The Iranians wouldn’t agree to end their enrichment of uranium, Trump said.
“They had all that enriched stuff. They looked at redoing it there, but it was in such bad shape, the mountain had basically collapsed,” Trump said.
Trump said of his military action: “This is the way” to deal with Iran.
“We don’t have to worry about agreements.” He pointed to the country’s long history of causing destruction in the region after the 1979 revolution.
“You go back 37 years, really 47 years, close to 50, look at what’s happened and all the death. People in the military walking around with no legs, walking around with no arms, their faces shattered,” he said.
Trump said he asked his team for a list of all the Iranian or Iranian-backed attacks against the US and US allies and interests.
“Over the last 47 years. I said, ‘give me all of the attacks.’ If I told you all of them I’d still be talking,” he said.
The latest military operation is part of a long-term campaign to eliminate the Iranian threat, Trump said. “We took out Soleimani last time,” referring to the January 3, 2020, US drone strike against Iranian major general Qasem Soleimani. “He was an unbelievably violent, vicious general.”
The strike against Soleimani “was a big move,” the president said. “If that didn’t happen, then you might not have Israel today. Israel might not exist.”
Then “we had Midnight Hammer – very important,” the president said, referring to the June 2025 US strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. “They were a month away from having a nuclear weapon.”
Criticizing President Barack Obama’s nuclear weapons deal, the president said “it was the Iran nuclear deal because it gave all the power to Iran. They would have had a nuclear weapon three or four years ago. They would have used it against Israel. They maybe would have used it against us.”
“That deal was so bad,” Trump said, “it was a pathway to a bomb.”
In the latest talks, the Iranians “weren’t willing to give us what we asked for. They should have done it.”
“So it’s going good,” Trump said, before getting off the phone.
Donald Trump The Middle East