直播:民主党议员斥责国土安全部长“冷静点”,此前双方因所谓“模式”指控引发听证混乱


这场交锋发生在这名民主党议员指控国土安全部存在虐待行为“模式”之后,其援引了近期涉及警员的枪击事件

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克里斯·范·霍伦在激烈听证会上要求国土安全部长“冷静下来”

马里兰州联邦参议员、民主党人克里斯·范·霍伦就所谓的——

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周二,一场参议院拨款委员会听证会陷入混乱,马里兰州联邦参议员、民主党人克里斯·范·霍伦与国土安全部长马克韦恩·马伦发生激烈争执,这名民主党议员随后要求马伦“冷静下来”。

范·霍伦因曾飞往萨尔瓦多会见有争议的非法移民、据称的帮派成员基尔马尔·阿布雷戈·加西亚而为人熟知,他指控国土安全部(DHS)在执行移民法时存在“虐待模式”。他援引了近期几起国土安全部牵涉的枪击事件,包括涉及委内瑞拉国民胡利奥·塞萨尔·索萨-塞利斯以及明尼苏达州活动人士勒妮·古德和亚历克斯·普雷蒂的案件。

马伦反驳称这一指控是“言辞夸大”,他表示:“当你说存在某种模式时,实际上并不存在这种模式。”

“哦,我会说连续三起事件就是一种模式,”范·霍伦反驳道,马伦随即回击:“不,先生……我们日均处理1900起相关事件,三起事件算不上一种模式。”

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范·霍伦坚称“确实存在这种模式”。两人抢着发言时,范·霍伦摇着头说:“我们查一下词典,别抠字眼了,现实是这是一个严重问题。”

他敦促马伦承诺将联邦警员涉枪事件的相关证据移交给明尼苏达州当局。

“听起来你不愿意配合试图查明此事真相的州当局获取证据。我只想说,部长先生,考虑到本届政府包括白宫发表的言论,很难信任本届政府会开展独立调查,”范·霍伦说道。

“但你信任上一届政府?”马伦反问道。

“我只是说我们要实事求是,不要挑拣对某一届政府有利的说法而否定另一届政府,”马伦继续说道。

范·霍伦随即举起双手说道:“部长先生,拜托,请冷静一下。”

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听证会上,康涅狄格州联邦参议员、民主党人克里斯·墨菲敦促马伦承诺遵守法院命令,此前一名联邦法官声称国土安全部在明尼苏达州违反了近100项法院命令。墨菲还批评国土安全部“花钱大手大脚”,包括用于“你正在建造的大型拘留中心”。

墨菲问马伦:“既然你已经上任,你能否向我们承诺,如果法院裁定移民海关执法局或国土安全部的某项行为非法、违宪,并要求你停止,你会遵守法院命令吗?”

马伦回答:“我们永远不会违反宪法,也不会违法,但我们会执行国家的法律,执行你们通过的、我们负责实施的法律。我们绝不会越界。如果我们越界了,我们会相互问责。”

“但这听起来并不等同于承诺你会遵守法院命令,”墨菲追问道,“你到底会不会执行法院命令?”

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马伦回应道:“如果我们不认为法院被政治化了,我或许就能给出答案。但我们一再看到法院利用其职位表达政治观点,而非仅仅依据法治。”

他责备墨菲说:“别把话安到我头上”,并补充道:“我的意思是我们会依法行事,绝不会违反宪法。”

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墨菲转向委员会同事们说道:“听着,无论你是委员会里的共和党人还是民主党人,都应该感到非常、非常不安。”

“我们应该非常关注法院的裁决,以及它们被推翻的频率,”马伦反驳道。

彼得·皮内多是福克斯新闻数字频道的政治撰稿人。

WATCH: Dem scolds Homeland Security chief to ‘calm down’ after hearing derails over alleged ‘pattern’

The exchange came after the Democrat accused DHS of a ‘pattern’ of abuse citing recent officer-involved shootings

June 3, 2026 8:00am EDT / Fox News

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Chris Van Hollen tells DHS chief to ‘calm down’ during heated hearing

Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., ripped into Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin over an alleged

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A Senate Appropriations Committee hearing was derailed Tuesday after Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., and Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin got into a heated exchange, prompting the Democrat to tell Mullin to “calm down.”

Van Hollen, who is best known for flying to El Salvador to meet with controversial illegal immigrant and alleged gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia, accused the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) of having a “pattern” of abuse while enforcing immigration law. He pointed to several recent DHS-involved shootings, including those involving Venezuelan national Julio Cesar Sosa-Celis and activists Renee Good and Alex Pretti in Minnesota.

Mullin pushed back against the allegation as an “exaggeration of words,” saying, “When you say there’s a pattern, there’s not a pattern.”

“Oh, I would say three in a row is a pattern,” retorted Van Hollen, to which Mullin shot back, “No, sir… a pattern of three people when we average 1,900 a day is not a pattern.”

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Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., left, ripped into Secretary Markwayne Mullin over an alleged “pattern” at the critical agency.(Andrew Harnik/Getty Images; Kent Nishimura/AFP via Getty Image)

Van Hollen insisted “there was a pattern.” As the two talked over each other, Van Hollen shook his head, saying, “Let’s get out the dictionary, put your semantics aside, the reality is this is a big problem.”

He pressed Mullin to commit to sharing evidence from the federal officer-involved shootings to Minnesota authorities.

“It sounds like you’re not willing to share evidence with the state authorities who are trying to get to the bottom of this. And I will just say, Mr. Secretary, that given the statements that came out of this administration, including the White House, it is hard to trust this administration to do an independent investigation,” said Van Hollen.

“But yet you trust your last administration?” Mullin fired back.

“I’m just saying if we’re calling an apple what an apple is and an orange what an orange is, don’t sit there and start cherry-picking one administration to believe and another administration not to believe,” Mullin continued.

In response, Van Hollen raised his hands and said, “Mr. Secretary, just, just please calm down.”

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During the hearing, Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., pressed Mullin to commit to abiding by court orders, citing a federal judge’s claim that DHS had violated just under 100 orders in Minnesota. Murphy also criticized DHS for “spending money like stone drunk sailors,” including on “the massive detention centers that you are building.”

Murphy asked Mullin, “Now that you are on the job, can you commit to us that if a court judges something ICE is doing, something DHS is doing as illegal, unconstitutional, tells you to stop, that you will comply with the court order?”

Mullin answered, “We will never break the Constitution, and we’re not going to break the law, but we’re going to enforce our nation’s laws, and we’re going to enforce the laws that you guys passed and that we implement. We will never go outside that. And if we do, we’ll hold each other accountable for that.”

“But that doesn’t sound like the same thing as committing that you will obey a court order,” pressed Murphy. “Will you, or will you not implement court orders?”

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Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., speaks to reporters outside his office at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.(Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

In response, Mullin said, “If we didn’t think courts were politicized, then I would probably be able to answer that. But we see courts over and over again that use their bench for their political opinion, not just the rule of law.”

He chided Murphy, saying, “Don’t put words in my mouth,” adding, “What I’m saying is we will enforce the law, and we’re never going to break the Constitution.”

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Looking aside to his colleagues on the committee, Murphy remarked, “Listen, if you’re a Republican or Democrat on this committee, you should be really, really freaked out.”

“We should be really concerned about the rulings that come out of the courts, and how often they get overturned,” retorted Mullin.

Peter Pinedo is a politics writer for Fox News Digital.

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