2026-02-15T20:00:09-0500 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
在哥伦比亚广播公司新闻的“关乎重要议题”（Things That Matter）市政厅会议上，马里兰州州长韦斯·摩尔（Wes Moore）批评了总统特朗普对移民问题的处理方式，以及拜登政府在这一问题上的不足。他回击了总统一连串的侮辱言论，但暗示民主党人在试图摆脱“反对党和行动迟缓”的形象时，可以从特朗普先生身上吸取一些教训。
这位曾是陆军退伍军人、如今成为民主党州长的人士，在由哥伦比亚广播公司新闻资深记者诺拉·奥唐奈（Norah O’Donnell）主持的长达一小时的讨论中，还谈到了自己的政治未来。此次会议于周日播出。
以下是会议的亮点：
摩尔：民主党需要停止做“反对党和行动迟缓的党”
当被问及民主党应该如何改变时，摩尔表示：“民主党必须停止做‘反对党和行动迟缓的党’，开始成为‘支持党和立即行动的党’。”
“不能所有事情都要经过10年的研究，不能所有事情都要经过15年的分析，对吧？”州长补充道。“如果我告诉你，我觉得我孩子就读的学校没有让他们为未来做好准备，我不想听你说‘嗯，我还是先成立一个委员会来分析一下吧’。”
他建议民主党人可以从一个意想不到的来源汲取灵感：特朗普先生。
“他不浪费时间，”州长说。“唐纳德·特朗普不需要分析就决定要剥夺我们州人民的食品援助。唐纳德·特朗普不需要五年的研究来确定要在我们的社区和街区部署联邦特工而不承担任何责任。”
在市政厅会议早些时候，摩尔敦促他的政党将重点放在“解决人们关心的问题”上，比如生活成本，而不是向现有支持者提供“刺激性言论”。
“我认为在这个时候，民主党的工作不仅仅是激发基本盘的活力，”摩尔说。“而是要扩大基本盘，要对所有人发声。”
摩尔认为特朗普是种族主义者吗？
摩尔最近几天成为了特朗普的批评目标。他是本月特朗普宣布“不配”被邀请参加白宫年度两党州长会议和晚宴的两名民主党人之一。
在Truth Social（特朗普的社交媒体平台）的一篇帖子中，总统称摩尔“满口脏话”，批评他作为马里兰州州长的表现，并指责他谎称自己获得了军事勋章。摩尔称特朗普的帖子“充满谎言”且“精神失常”。
摩尔对白宫的冷遇不屑一顾，他说：“如果会议的目的是变成互相辱骂……我不会去。”
“我会与任何人合作，但我不会向任何人低头，”摩尔告诉哥伦比亚广播公司新闻。“而且我认为总统对此很有意见。”
本月早些时候，特朗普在Truth Social上发布了一段将巴拉克·奥巴马和米歇尔·奥巴马描绘成猿类的视频，引发了两党议员的批评。这段视频已被删除，众多共和党议员称其“种族主义”、“极其冒犯”和“不合适”。总统表示，他在发布视频前没有看到冒犯性内容。
当被问及是否认为特朗普是种族主义者时，摩尔表示这是总统需要回答的问题。
“但坦率地说，我认为他的行为可能在他有机会自己回答之前就给出了答案，”马里兰州州长说。
摩尔批评特朗普的移民打击行动——但称拜登“需要做得更多”
摩尔对特朗普处理移民问题的方式提出了批评，包括美国移民和海关执法局（ICE）逮捕人数激增，他认为这已经牵连了许多远未达到特朗普政府承诺打击“最恶劣分子”的人。
他说，ICE去年获得了大量资金注入，按资金规模是“这个国家最大的执法机构”，但他们却在逮捕5岁儿童。“因此，我很难理解这如何能让我们更安全。”
州长还表示，两党都在移民问题上“逃避责任”。当被问及拜登任内非法越境人数激增时，摩尔说：“我肯定认为前总统没有处理好这个问题。”
“我们需要做得更多，”他说。“我不认为有人能说，在拜登总统任内，我们的移民制度已经理顺了。”
他说，国会需要通过全面的移民改革，并指责目前由共和党主导的参众两院“持续放弃责任”。
摩尔称爱泼斯坦罪行必须“得到正义伸张”
摩尔称数百万份司法部新公布的关于已故性犯罪者的文件中披露的内容“令人作呕”。
他继续说道：“任何出现在这些文件中的人都需要承担责任。”
“我认为，如果你被发现对这些儿童犯下了这些可怕的罪行，我不在乎你的背景或政治派别，正义必须得到伸张，”州长说。
关于爱泼斯坦及其定罪同伙吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦（Ghislaine Maxwell）的大量文件，提供了政府对爱泼斯坦儿童性虐待调查的新细节，包括调查人员几十年来积累的大量证据。许多爱泼斯坦幸存者抨击司法部直到2019年才让爱泼斯坦面临联邦指控，并最初在佛罗里达州法院以2008年的认罪协议解决了他的卖淫指控。
爱泼斯坦于2019年在联邦拘留所等待审判期间自杀身亡。麦克斯韦因性交易合谋等罪名被定罪，判处20年监禁。
目前尚不清楚除爱泼斯坦和麦克斯韦外是否还有其他人卷入任何犯罪，但文件中出现了许多知名人士，反映了爱泼斯坦与富人和权贵之间的密切关系。文件中的出现并不一定意味着有不当行为。
“我们看到的问责缺失、透明度缺失，坦率地说，正义缺失，令人震惊，”摩尔说。“所以我与众多美国人站在一起，他们说这些儿童所遭受的事情需要有人承担责任。”
摩尔：“我不会竞选总统”
摩尔被广泛视为潜在的总统候选人。但他告诉哥伦比亚广播公司新闻，他并未考虑在2028年竞选白宫。
“我不会竞选总统，”摩尔说，并补充说他目前专注于2026年的连任竞选。
当被问及未来是否会考虑竞选总统时，这位47岁的州长表示：“我不认为有这个必要……我热爱我的工作，热爱我正在做的事情。”
生活成本在马里兰州是个“大问题”
根据哥伦比亚广播公司新闻/舆观调查公司（YouGov）最近的民调，大多数美国人对经济状况持悲观态度，普遍对生活成本感到沮丧。马里兰州也未能幸免：州审计长去年10月发现，近年来每年约有4万人离开马里兰州，许多人搬到住房成本较低的州。公用事业账单也大幅上涨。
摩尔承认住房和能源成本过高。
“这是一个全国性问题，但在马里兰州是一个非常严重的问题，”州长说。“日子越来越难了。坦率地说，这是不公平的。”
他表示，该州在建设更多住房或通过增加发电容量来“加固”电网方面做得不够。他正在推动区域电网运营商PJM限制成本并“停止放缓”新能源项目的审批。
摩尔还称自己是“这个国家最积极推动住房建设的州长之一”，并强调了一项在国有土地上建造住房单元的提议。
摩尔敦促马里兰州参议院推进重新划分选区工作
摩尔正敦促州议员重新绘制马里兰州的国会选区图，以让民主党人有机会赢得该州唯一由共和党控制的众议院席位，这是全国范围内中期重新划分选区工作的一部分。
重新划分选区的法案已在州众议院通过，但在参议院陷入停滞，参议院领袖认为这可能会适得其反，削弱民主党在其他选区的优势。
摩尔告诉哥伦比亚广播公司新闻，他对州参议院的唯一要求是：“进行辩论。讨论它。并履行你的民主职责去投票。无论投票结果如何，我都没关系，因为这就是民主。”
州长指责共和党人在重新划分选区之争中率先开火，他们重新绘制了得克萨斯州的地图，以创建五个新的共和党倾向选区。在得克萨斯州通过其地图后，加利福尼亚州将五个众议院选区划得更倾向民主党，密苏里州和北卡罗来纳州各绘制了一个新的共和党倾向选区。弗吉尼亚州的民主党人也在考虑重新划分选区。
“唐纳德·特朗普在开始打电话给得克萨斯州说‘我需要你找到我的选票’时，就开启了这场对话，”他说。
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7 highlights from CBS News town hall with Maryland Gov. Wes Moore: Trump, Epstein and whether he’ll run for president
2026-02-15T20:00:09-0500 / CBS News
In a CBS News “Things That Matter” town hall, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore criticized President Trump’s handling of immigration as well as the shortcomings of the Biden administration on the issue. He fired back at a spate of insults from the president, but hinted that Democrats could pick up a few lessons from Mr. Trump as they seek to shed their image as “the party of no and slow.”
The Army veteran-turned-Democratic governor also addressed his own political future during the hourlong discussion moderated by CBS News senior correspondent Norah O’Donnell, airing Sunday.
Here are the highlights:
Moore: Democrats need to stop being “the party of no and slow”
Asked what the Democratic party should do differently, Moore said: “Democrats have got to stop being the party of no and slow, and start being the party of yes and now.”
“Everything cannot be a 10-year study. Everything cannot be a 15-year analysis, right?” the governor added. “If I’m telling you that I feel like the school that my child is attending is not preparing them for the world, I don’t want to hear you tell me, ‘Well let me just make sure that I put a commission together to analyze that.’”
He suggested that Democrats could draw inspiration from an unlikely source: Mr. Trump.
“He does not waste time,” the governor said. “Donald Trump did not need an analysis to decide that he was going to rip away food assistance for the people of our state. Donald Trump did not need a five-year study to determine that he was going to deploy federal agents inside of our communities and neighborhoods with no accountability.”
Earlier in the town hall, Moore pushed his party to focus on “addressing the issues that people care about,” like the cost of living, rather than offering “red meat” to its existing supporters.
“I think in this moment that the job of the Democratic Party is not to just energize the base,” Moore said. “It’s to enlargen it. It’s to speak to everybody.”
Does Moore think Trump is a racist?
Moore has found himself in Mr. Trump’s crosshairs in recent days. He was one of two Democrats who Mr. Trump declared “not worthy” to get invited to an annual White House meeting and dinner with governors from both parties this month.
In a Truth Social post, the president called Moore “foul mouthed,” criticized his performance as Maryland governor and accused him of lying about receiving a military medal. Moore said Mr. Trump’s post was “full of lies” and “unhinged.”
Moore shrugged off the White House snub, saying that “if the point of the meeting is to turn it into name-calling … I will not go.”
“I will work with anyone. But I will bow down to no one,” Moore told CBS News. “And I think the president has a problem with that.”
Earlier this month, Mr. Trump drew bipartisan criticism over a Truth Social post that included a depiction of Barack and Michelle Obama as apes. A litany of Republican lawmakers called the video — which has been deleted — “racist,” “incredibly offensive” and “inappropriate.” The president said he didn’t see the offensive part of the video before posting it.
Asked if he believes Mr. Trump is a racist, Moore said it’s a question for the president to answer.
“But, frankly, I think his actions probably give the answer before he even has a chance to answer it himself,” the Maryland governor said.
Moore criticizes Trump’s immigration crackdown — but says Biden “needed to do more”
Moore was critical of Mr. Trump’s handling of immigration, including a surge in Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests that he argued has ensnared many people who fall far short of the Trump administration’s pledge to go after the “worst of the worst.”
He said ICE, which received a massive infusion of funds last year, is, by funding, “the largest law enforcement agency in this country, and they are using their resources arresting 5-year-olds. And so, I have a very difficult time seeing how this is making us safer.”
The governor also said that both parties have “punted” on immigration. Asked about the surge in unauthorized border crossings during former President Joe Biden’s time in office, Moore said, “I definitely think that the former president did not have this right.”
“We needed to do more,” he said. “I don’t think anyone can argue that we had the system worked out under President Biden — that immigration was worked out.”
He said Congress needs to pass comprehensive immigration reform, and faulted the current GOP-led House and Senate for a “continued abdication of responsibility.”
Moore says “justice has to be served” for Epstein’s crimes
Moore called the revelations that have come to light in millions of newly released Justice Department files on the late sex offender “sickening.”
He continued: “there needs to be accountability for anybody who was in those files.”
“I think if you are found guilty of doing these horrific things to these children, I do not care your background nor political affiliation, justice has to be served,” the governor said.
The trove of files on Epstein and his convicted associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, have offered new details on the government’s investigations into Epstein for child sexual abuse, including on the piles of evidence that investigators had amassed for decades. Many Epstein survivors have blasted the Justice Department for letting Epstein avoid federal charges until 2019, and for initially resolving his case with a 2008 plea deal on prostitution charges in Florida state court.
Epstein died by suicide while awaiting trial in federal custody in 2019. Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking conspiracy and other crimes, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
It’s not clear that anybody other than Epstein and Maxwell is implicated in any crimes, but many big names appear in the files, reflecting the close relationships that Epstein cultivated with the rich and powerful. Inclusion in the files is not necessarily evidence of wrongdoing.
“The lack of accountability, the lack of transparency, and frankly the lack of justice that we have seen from this has been staggering,” Moore said. “And so I stand with the many, many Americans who say there needs to be accountability for what happened to these children.”
Moore: “I’m not running for president”
Moore is widely viewed as a potential presidential contender. But he told CBS News he isn’t considering a run for the White House in 2028.
“I’m not running for president,” Moore said, adding that he is focusing on his 2026 reelection bid.
Asked if he would ever consider running for president in the future, the 47-year-old governor said: “I don’t see a reason … I love my job, and I love what I’m doing.”
Cost of living is a “big problem” in Maryland
Most Americans hold a dim view of the state of the economy, with widespread frustration over the cost of living, according to recent CBS News/YouGov polling. Maryland is far from immune: The state comptroller found last October that about 40,000 people have left Maryland annually in recent years, with many moving to states with lower housing costs. Utility bills have also surged.
Moore acknowledged that housing and energy costs are too high.
“It is a national problem. But it is a very big problem in the state of Maryland,” the governor said. “It’s just harder to get by. And frankly, it’s not fair.”
He said the state hasn’t done enough to build more housing or “fortify” the electric grid by adding more generating capacity. He said he’s pushing regional power grid operator PJM to cap costs and “stop slowing down” approvals of new energy projects.
Moore also called himself “one of the most aggressive housing governors in this country,” highlighting a proposal to build housing units on state-owned land.
Moore presses Maryland Senate to take up redistricting
Moore is pushing state lawmakers to redraw Maryland’s congressional map to give Democrats a chance of winning the state’s sole GOP-controlled House district, part of a nationwide wave of mid-decade redistricting efforts.
The redistricting measure passed the state House, but it has stalled in the Senate, with the chamber’s leader arguing it could backfire by diluting Democrats’ edge in other districts.
Moore told CBS News all he’s asking of the state Senate is: “Debate it. Discuss it. And do your democratic duty to vote. No matter how the vote goes, I’m good, because that’s democracy.”
The governor faulted Republicans for firing the opening salvo in the redistricting fight by redrawing Texas’ map to create five new GOP-leaning seats. After Texas passed its maps, California made five of its House districts more Democratic, and Missouri and North Carolina drew one new GOP-leaning district apiece. Virginia Democrats are also looking to redistrict.
“Donald Trump started this conversation when he started calling Texas and said, ‘I need you to find me votes,’” he said.
“CBS News Things That Matter: A Town Hall with Gov. Wes Moore” airs Sunday, Feb. 15, at 8 p.m. ET/PT on CBS stations, right after “60 Minutes,” and can be streamed on Paramount+. “Things That Matter” is a series of town halls and debates featuring the people in politics and culture who are shaping American life. Learn more here.
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