文字实录:以色列驻美大使迈克尔·莱特做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目 2026年7月12日


2026-07-12T12:56:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻

以下是以色列驻美大使迈克尔·莱特博士于2026年7月12日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中接受采访的文字实录。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们现在邀请到了以色列驻美国大使迈克尔·莱特博士。很高兴你再次做客节目。

以色列驻美大使迈克尔·莱特: 早上好。今天上午,以色列总理正在向林赛·格雷厄姆参议员致敬。我知道他是以色列坚定的支持者,他也一直在大力推动以色列与沙特阿拉伯关系正常化。就在三周前,他还在本节目中提出了这一倡议。我想知道,您是否认为我们可以通过继续开展这类外交工作,延续他的遗志?

大使莱特: 当然可以,林赛是一位挚友。我2025年1月27日抵达华盛顿的第一天,在大使馆的座位上接到的第一个电话就是林赛·格雷厄姆打来的。他说:“我们今晚能共进晚餐吗?”过去一年半以来,我们一直在谈论中东地区的关系正常化。他不仅是击败伊朗政权的坚定倡导者,还对伊朗倒台后的局势有着清晰的规划。他对中东和平有着自己的愿景。当然,我们必须朝着这个目标努力,但只有当他愿景中的第一步得以实现时,这一切才能真正成真——那就是伊朗不再成为威胁邻国的地区霸权。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错,三周前林赛·格雷厄姆就在本节目中做出了承诺,要在2026年实现关系正常化。我们拭目以待。

大使莱特: 我们还有时间。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们还有时间。接下来我想和您谈谈 overnight 发生的另一项重大事态发展,美伊之间重启停火谈判的努力显然已经彻底破裂。此前的谈判只是为了暂停局势、重新开放霍尔木兹海峡,坦率地说,范围相当有限。但随后伊朗伊斯兰革命卫队向一艘商业船只开火,美国恢复了空袭。目前伊朗尚未袭击以色列,以色列也未袭击伊朗。以色列是否打算置身事外?我们该如何看待当前这场冲突?

大使莱特: 我认为特朗普总统在这场对抗中始终保持了一致立场。如果谈判能够奏效,如果外交能够解决问题,那么他会支持外交途径。但当外交途径行不通时,你就必须诉诸军事和动能行动。几周前美国与伊朗签署谅解备忘录时,伊朗只需要履行一项义务,那就是确保海峡畅通。但他们完全无视了这一点,因此迫使美国重新采取动能行动。我们是美国的伙伴和盟友,如果美国要求我们重新加入对伊朗的军事行动,我们将与美国并肩作战。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 但目前美国并未要求你们加入行动。

大使莱特: 我——我没这么说过。我是说美国尚未请求我们加入此次行动。但如果届时提出这样的请求,我们一定会到场。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,这份谅解备忘录是总统在凡尔赛宫签署,随后由副总统签署的,贵国政府当时对此表示反对。内塔尼亚胡总理毫不掩饰地指出了这份协议的重大缺陷。当事态发展到这一步,您是否有过“我早就告诉过你们”的想法?

大使莱特: 不,这不符合我们两国关系的性质。我们会表达自己的意见。我们确实看到了协议的缺陷,但我们也表达了希望其能够成功的意愿。如果在谅解备忘录签署60天后,我们能够实现伊朗无核化,伊朗不再生产弹道导弹——

玛格丽特·布伦南: ——这是史上最激进的时间表——

大使莱特: ——且不再支持其代理武装势力。那么,无论最终用90天还是120天,只要伊朗实现无核化,不再制造弹道导弹,不再在该地区支持代理武装,不再成为一个制造威胁、散播混乱的政权,那么我们就能在不诉诸动能行动的情况下达成目标。我们对这一构想的实际可行性存在疑虑,但我们能做的只有表达自己的看法。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,谅解备忘录的开头几行明确提到了黎巴嫩,这也是我接下来想探讨的问题。美国一直在努力斡旋以色列和黎巴嫩政府之间的谈判,本质上是为了联手对抗伊朗支持的真主党。根据上月达成的框架协议,以色列承诺从黎巴嫩南部部分地区撤军。你们仍打算履行这一承诺吗?时间表是怎样的?

大使莱特: 实际上,我正代表以色列领导与黎巴嫩的谈判,因此对这项三方协议我有一定了解。与黎巴嫩达成的这项协议的核心是彻底将伊朗排除在黎巴嫩局势之外。伊朗无权干涉黎巴嫩事务,真主党也无权在黎巴嫩立足。事实上,以色列和黎巴嫩的立场一致:我们都希望真主党离开,这既是为了我们的安全,也是为了黎巴嫩的主权。一旦真主党被解散,我们就可以撤军。如果真主党不解散,我们就必须留在安全区内,因为我们不会回到那种局势下——我们的公民会遭到伊朗代理武装的导弹袭击,会被他们挖掘隧道用于袭击,就像哈马斯在10月7日做的那样。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 这与美国国务院的说法有所不同,他们明确表示以色列应该从两个试点地区撤军,由美国中央司令部负责监督。这——

大使莱特: ——那只是试点地区。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 什么时候会开始撤军?[声音模糊] 撤军计划。

大使莱特: 我们目前正在筹备当中,但试点计划的核心是——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 因为黎巴嫩方面表示撤军已经推迟了。

大使莱特: 不,并没有推迟。我们正与中央司令部和黎巴嫩武装部队合作,创造必要条件,确保试点地区能够接纳黎巴嫩武装部队进驻。如果他们无法接纳,如果真主党仍留在那里,那么我们的撤军就毫无意义,这也是它们被称为试点地区的原因。如果试点成功,我们就继续推进撤军。如果失败,我们就维持现状。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 您仍计划前往罗马开展谈判吗?试点地区的撤军会很快启动吗?

大使莱特: 我当然希望未来几周就能启动。我们正与中央司令部合作推进此事。我是否仍会前往罗马?这需要看格雷厄姆参议员的葬礼安排。但谈判肯定会在罗马继续进行。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的,在结束采访前,我想快速提及两起备受关注的事件。其一,CNN的摄制组在约旦河西岸遭到袭击,他们称袭击者是四名定居者。还有一起事件涉及加利福尼亚州众议员罗·卡纳,他表示自己乘坐的车辆被以色列定居者拦截,随后以色列国防军赶到时,站在了定居者一边,而非他这边。他说:“扣押潜在总统候选人可不是个好主意”,这是对贵国政府的警告。您认为以色列政府需要向他和CNN的记者道歉吗?

大使莱特: 任何暴力行为都应受到谴责,没有任何借口和解释。所以,如果CNN摄制组真的遭到袭击,那必须受到谴责,我现在就予以谴责。我们需要更好地管控局势。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 您正在谴责这一事件[声音模糊]——

大使莱特: ——如果事件正如他们所报道的那样发生,我绝对会予以谴责。我们需要遏制各方的暴力行为。现在说说罗·卡纳的情况:我们得知他计划访问以色列后,华盛顿的以色列大使馆就与他取得了联系。正如所有国会议员都会做的那样,他们会与以色列政府协调行程。我们建议他与10月7日大屠杀的幸存者见面,建议他访问边境地区,以便他了解我们在边境面临的问题等等。但他无视了这一建议,决定不与以色列协调行程,而是与巴勒斯坦活动人士和J Street——华盛顿一个反对以色列政府的宣传组织——协调行程。所以你知道,他协调——

玛格丽特·布伦南: ——那是一个犹太游说团体——

大使莱特: ——嗯,它——

玛格丽特·布伦南: ——支持以色列走不同的道路。

大使莱特: 是的,没错。我每年打一次网球,但这并不意味着我是网球运动员。他们自称是犹太组织,这一点无关紧要。他们就是一个反对以色列政府的宣传组织,这一点必须明确。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 指的是内塔尼亚胡领导的现任政府。

大使莱特: 是的,没错——

玛格丽特·布伦南: ——也就是你为之工作的政府。

大使莱特: 而卡纳众议员,他对以色列政府的敌意也并非秘密。所以或许,他选择在周三发生这起事件,却等到周六才公布,可能与他此前支持格雷厄姆·普拉特纳以及因此遇到的困难有关,他试图将焦点转移到其他事情上。这只是我的猜测。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,我们确实收到了罗·卡纳众议员的消息,他说已经向大使馆发出了警报,他们要求将新闻——

大使莱特: ——没有,根本没有——

玛格丽特·布伦南: ——报道推迟到他离开以色列之后。——

大使莱特: 当时只是有一个疑问,根本没有什么警报。只是关于签证的问题,仅此而已。但当我们要求他与我们协调行程时,他以沉默的方式拒绝了。这很遗憾,整个事件都很遗憾。而且,有意思的是,有人竟然通过跑去以色列来宣布自己要竞选总统?这难道不奇怪吗?

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,我们今天的采访就到这里,大使先生。我们还有很多话题想和您聊,但时间到了。感谢您的到来。

大使莱特: 感谢你,玛格丽特,感谢[声音模糊]。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们马上回来,还有更多内容。《直面国家》节目,请继续关注。

Transcript: Israeli Ambassador Michael Leiter on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” July 12, 2026

2026-07-12T12:56:00-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of an interview with Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Leiter that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on July 12, 2026.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Dr. Michael Leiter. Good to have you back here.

ISRAELI AMBASSADOR MICHAEL LEITER: Good morning. Your Prime Minister this morning has been honoring Senator Lindsey Graham. I know he was a fierce advocate for Israel, and he also was really pushing for normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Just three weeks ago, on this program, he made that pitch. I wonder if you think there is a way to carry on his legacy through continuing that kind of diplomatic work.

AMB. LEITER: Absolutely, Lindsey was a dear friend. My first day in Washington, January 27 2025, the first phone call I got once I landed on my seat in the embassy was from Lindsey Graham. He said, “can we have dinner tonight?” And we’ve been talking about normalization in the Middle East for the past year and a half. And he was not only a fierce advocate of defeating this Iranian regime, he was also a fierce advocate of what would happen afterwards. And he saw, he had a vision for peace in the Middle East. And absolutely, we have to work toward that end, but it really is going to happen if his first part of that vision is fulfilled, and that’s that Iran is no longer a regional hegemon menacing its neighbors.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, three weeks ago, Lindsey Graham said on this program, 2026. That was his vow that normalization would happen. So we’ll have to follow that.

AMB. LEITER: We still have some time.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We still have some time. Let me ask you about the other significant development overnight with Iran. The attempt to revive this truce between the United States and Iran clearly has just collapsed. This was just an attempt to have a pause to reopen the- the Strait of Hormuz. Frankly, it was pretty limited in scope. But then the IRGC fired on a commercial vessel. The United States has resumed bombing. For the moment, Iran has not fired on Israel. Israel has not fired on Iran. Does Israel intend to stay on the sidelines? How do we see this conflict at this point?

AMB. LEITER: President Trump has been consistent, I think, throughout this confrontation. If talks will work, if diplomacy can work, then he’s in favor of the diplomatic route. But when it doesn’t work, you have to go back to military and kinetic activity. When the United States signed the MOU with Iran just a few weeks ago, there was one item, just one thing, that the Iranians had to fulfill, and that was keeping the straits open. And that they’ve completely ignored. So they forced the U.S. to go back into kinetic activity. We’re a partner, we’re an ally. If the United States calls on us to rejoin kinetic activity against Iran, we’re going to be there for the United States.

MARGARET BRENNAN: But at the moment, the U.S. is asking you to wait.

AMB. LEITER: I- I didn’t say that. I said the United States has not asked us to join the effort. But if that request will come in, we’re going to be there.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that MOU, when it was signed by the president in Versailles and then by the vice president, your government was opposed to this. You made no mistake that Prime Minister Netanyahu saw big flaws in this deal. When you saw what happened, was there a moment of “I told you so” here?

AMB. LEITER: No, that’s not the nature of our relationship. We express our opinion. We saw flaws, but we also expressed hope that it would work. If, at the end of the day, 60 days after the MOU, we’ve got a denuclearized Iran, we’ve got Iran not producing ballistic missiles–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –That is the most aggressive timeline in history–

AMB. LEITER: –And not supporting their proxies. Well, if it would be 90 days or 120 days, if we have Iran that’s denuclearized, not building ballistic missiles, not supporting proxies around the region, just not being a menacing, mayhem-spreading regime, then we will have accomplished it without kinetic activity. We have doubts about the possibility of that actually working, but all we do is express our opinion.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, very clear about the very first few lines of the MOU that mentioned Lebanon, and that’s where I want to go next, because the U.S. has been trying to broker these talks between the Israeli government and the Lebanese government to essentially work together against Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran. Under the framework that was reached last month, Israel pledged to withdraw from areas of southern Lebanon. Do you still intend to do that? What does that timeline look like?

AMB. LEITER: Well, I’m actually leading the negotiations on Israel’s behalf with Lebanon, so I know a thing or two about the trilateral agreement. And what the agreement with Lebanon does is completely remove Iran from the paradigm. Iran is not to be involved in Lebanon. They have no business in Lebanon. Hezbollah has no business in Lebanon. As a matter of fact, Israel and Lebanon are on the same page. We want Hezbollah out for our security and for their sovereignty. We can withdraw the moment that Hezbollah is dismantled. If Hezbollah is not dismantled, then we have to stay in our security zone because we’re not going to go back to a situation where our citizens are going to be threatened by an Iranian proxy firing missiles and building tunnels so they can attack, like Hamas did October 7.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that’s different from what the U.S. State Department has lined up here, which is specifically two pilot zones that Israel is supposed to withdraw from, and CENTCOM would oversee. Is that–

AMB. LEITER: –They’re pilot zones.

MARGARET BRENNAN: When does that happen? [inaud] withdrawal.

AMB. LEITER: Well, we’re preparing it right now, but the whole idea of the pilot has said the pilot zone–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Because Lebanon has said that’s delayed.

AMB. LEITER: No, it’s not delayed. We’re working together with CENTCOM and the Lebanese Armed Forces to create the conditions so that we can actually move into a situation where the pilot zones are receptive to Lebanese Armed Forces. If they’re not going to be receptive, if Hezbollah is going to stay there, we haven’t accomplished anything, and that’s why they’re called pilot zones. If it works, then we continue the withdrawal. If it doesn’t work, then we stay where we are.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you still going to Rome to conduct these talks, and will those pilot zone withdrawals happen anytime soon?

AMB. LEITER: I certainly hope they’re planned for the next few weeks. We’re working on that together with CENTCOM. Am I still going to Rome? That’s going to be a question regarding the the Senator Graham funeral. But certainly the talks will continue in Rome.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, before I let you go, there were two high-profile incidents I want to quickly touch on here. One, a CNN crew attacked in the West Bank by what they say were four settlers. There was also an incident with Ro Khanna, the congressman from California, who said he was his vehicles he was in were stopped by Israeli settlers, and then when the IDF showed up, they were on the side of the settlers, not him. He said “it’s not a good idea to detain longshot presidential candidates”. It was a warning to your government. Do you think your government needs to apologize to both him and those CNN journalists?

AMB. LEITER: Any violence is to be condemned. No excuses, no explanations. Okay. So if CNN crew was attacked, that needs to be condemned, and I’m doing so right now. And we need to do a better job.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are condemning it [inaud]–

AMB. LEITER: –If if if it was actually took place as they’ve reported it, absolutely condemning it. We need to rein in violence on all sides. Now, in terms of Ro Khanna, we reached out to him when we heard he was going to Israel, the Israeli embassy here in Washington. As all congressmen do, they coordinate their trip with the Israeli government. We suggested he visit with- with survivors of the October 7 massacre. That he visit the borders, so he understands the, the issues that we have in our borders and so on. He ignored that and he decided to coordinate his trip not with Israel, but with Palestinian activists and with J Street, which is a anti-government, anti-Israeli government advocacy group here in Washington. So you know he coordinated–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –It’s a Jewish lobby group–

AMB. LEITER: –Well, it’s–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –That is supportive of a different path for Israel.

AMB. LEITER: Yeah, yeah. I- I play tennis once a year. That doesn’t make me a tennis player. The fact that they call themselves a Jewish organization is- is irrelevant. They’re- they’re- an advocacy group against the government of Israel. That has to be clear.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The current government, Netanyahu government.

AMB. LEITER: Yes. Yes–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –That’s what you mean, the government you work for.

AMB. LEITER: And Congressman Khanna, there hasn’t been no secret about his antipathy towards the government of Israel as well. So perhaps if he would have coordinated the trip and then you know to have this incident on Wednesday and wait to release it on Saturday, maybe this had more something to do with his support of- of Graham Platner beforehand and the difficulties he had with that, and trying to shift the focus to something else. Perhaps I’m asking a question.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we did hear from Congressman Khanna, who said that there was an alert to the embassy on his behalf, and that they asked for the news–

AMB. LEITER: –There was not, there was not–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –to be held until he had left the country.–

AMB. LEITER: There was a question. There was not an alert. There was a question about visas. That’s all. But when we requested that he coordinate the trip with us, he rejected that by basically staying silent. So that’s unfortunate. This whole incident is unfortunate. And if- if somebody, it’s kind of interesting that somebody wants to declare a presidential run by running off to Israel? Not strange?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we’re going to have to leave it there, sir. There’s so much more to talk about with you, but I’m out of time. Thank you for coming.

AMB. LEITER: Thank you Margaret for [inaud].

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll be right back with a lot more. Face the Nation. Stay with us.

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