2026年6月8日 / 美国东部时间下午1:27 / 哥伦比亚广播公司（CBS）新闻
美国总统特朗普在威斯康星州接受NBC新闻采访时，因被质疑其选举欺诈指控且无法为这些主张提供证据，中途离场。
这场由NBC新闻主播克里斯汀·韦尔克主持的采访于周五录制、周日播出。韦尔克就特朗普有关2020年选举存在欺诈的言论，以及他所称目前加利福尼亚州初选正在发生选举欺诈的说法，向其索要证据。加利福尼亚州允许邮寄选票在投票截止日前提交，目前该州耗时数日仍未完成竞争激烈的初选选票清点。加州州长初选和洛杉矶市长选举在投票结束近一周后仍未公布结果。州官员表示，由于加州的法律和流程，清点数百万张邮寄选票通常需要数日甚至数周时间。
但特朗普声称，加州耗时多日清点选票“是因为他们在选举中作弊”。韦尔克随即问道：“你有证据支持这一说法吗？”特朗普反驳称：“我只要看看就行”，除了耗时过长之外，并未为自己的主张举出任何佐证。“但那不是证据，”韦尔克回应道。
在特朗普指责韦尔克“要么腐败要么愚蠢”后，他坚称有“比以往更多的证据”证明2020年选举被操纵。当韦尔克指出特朗普及其盟友就选举欺诈主张提起诉讼——在总共62起案件中仅胜诉一起微小案件时，特朗普再次称韦尔克和NBC“腐败”，并补充道他对ABC、CBS和CNN也持同样看法。
“你们是一家片面的腐败媒体，”特朗普先生说。“抱歉。今天的采访到此为止，我受够了。谢谢你，亲爱的。祝你愉快。”
在韦尔克挽留特朗普的数轮交锋后，特朗普离开了镜头。
加州选举系统素来以计数缓慢著称，专家此前曾警告，选票清点可能需要数日甚至数周时间。专家和加州州长加文·纽瑟姆早在选举开始前就知晓计票进度会放缓。上个月，纽瑟姆致函各郡选举官员，敦促他们加快计票进程，以驳斥毫无根据的选举安全阴谋论。
“加州非常重视选票清点工作，”南加州大学政治学教授克里斯蒂安·格罗斯在初选前对CBS新闻表示。“也正因如此，我们有多种投票方式。”
由特朗普提名的美国司法部第一助理检察官比尔·埃塞利周末表示，其办公室已启动“多起选举欺诈调查”，称加州选举系统存在“严重的结构性漏洞”。该办公室正试图对该州选民登记名单进行审计。
特朗普先生为动用其政府设立的“反武器化基金”资金支付1月6日国会大厦骚乱参与者的主张进行辩护，称2020年选举“被操纵”。代理司法部长托德·布兰奇表示，特朗普政府“不会推进”该基金，但拒绝以书面形式确认这一承诺。
当被问及是否认为袭击警察的定罪者有权从该基金获得赔偿时，特朗普先生表示：“我不会倾向于这么说，但我需要先看看具体情况。”
在这场在《与媒体见面》节目中播出的采访中，特朗普先生还声称自己从未承诺过不会让美国卷入新的战争。
“首先，我没有保证过不会打仗，”总统告诉韦尔克。“不然我为什么要打造世界上最强大的军队？”
但在竞选活动中，特朗普先生曾多次承诺“将战争贩子赶出我们的政府”，并强烈暗示不会有新的战争，就像他第一任期内那样。
“我会让你们远离战争，我确实做到了，”特朗普总统在2024年7月24日的竞选集会上说道。
在2024年11月的胜选演讲中，他还表示：“我们没有打仗。四年里，我们都没有打仗。除了我们击败了ISIS。我们以创纪录的速度击败了ISIS。但我们没有打仗。他们说‘他会发动战争’。我不会发动战争，我会制止战争。”
此次NBC采访并非特朗普首次因相关问题突然中断采访。
2020年10月，他中断了与CBS新闻主播莱斯利·斯塔尔的《60分钟》采访，抱怨“问题过于尖锐”。2022年1月，他在接受美国国家公共广播电台（NPR）采访时，因被质疑2020年选举主张而结束了采访。
NBC新闻已发布完整采访 transcript。
杰夫·阮和奥斯汀·特纳对本文亦有贡献。
Trump walks out of interview with NBC while being pressed on election fraud claims
June 8, 2026 / 1:27 PM EDT / CBS News
President Trump walked out of an interview with NBC News in Wisconsin after he was challenged on his claims of election fraud and struggled to provide evidence for those claims.
In an interview with NBC News’ Kristen Welker that was taped Friday and aired Sunday, Welker pressed the president for evidence on his claims of election fraud in the 2020 election and claims that election fraud is currently happening in the California primaries. California, which allows for last-minute mail-in ballots, is taking days to finish counting ballots in close primary contests. California’s gubernatorial primary and Los Angeles mayoral race are still undecided nearly a week later. State officials say it’s common to take days and even weeks to count the millions of mail-in ballots due to California laws and processes.
The president, however, claimed it’s taking California days to count the ballots “because they’re cheating on the election,” and Welker asked, “Do you have evidence to support that?” The president retorted, “All I have to do is look,” without citing support for his claims, aside from the length of time. “But that’s not evidence,” Welker responded.
After the president accused Welker of being “crooked or stupid,” he insisted that there’s “more evidence than ever presented” that the 2020 election was rigged. When Welker pointed out that the president and his allies went to court to litigate those election claims — and only prevailed in one minor case out of 62 cases total — the president again called Welker and NBC “crooked,” adding that he thinks the same thing about ABC, CBS and CNN.
“You’re a one-sided crooked network,” Mr. Trump said. “Sorry. Let’s call it quits because I’ve had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time.”
After another moment of exchanges in which Welker urged him to stay, the president walked off camera.
The California election system is famously slow, and experts have warned it could take days or weeks to finish counting votes. Experts and California Gov. Gavin Newsom knew the vote counting would be slow even before it began. Last month, Newsom sent an open letter to county election officials, urging them to speed up the counting process to fight off unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about election security.
“California really cares about counting its ballots,” Christian Grose, USC professor of political science, told CBS News before the primary election. “And so as a result, we have a lot of different ways to vote.”
Trump-nominated first assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli said over the weekend that his office has opened “multiple election fraud investigations,” alleging the system in California has “serious structural vulnerabilities.” His office is attempting to audit the state’s voter rolls.
Mr. Trump defended the idea of using money from the “anti-weaponization fund” created by his administration to pay Jan. 6 rioters, saying the 2020 election was “rigged.” Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche said the Trump administration is “not moving forward” with the fund, but he refused to commit to that in writing.
When Mr. Trump was asked if he thought people convicted of assaulting police officers deserved a payout from the fund, Mr. Trump said “I wouldn’t be inclined to say so, but I have to see it.”
During the interview, which aired on “Meet the Press,” Mr. Trump also claimed he never promised not to get the U.S. into new wars.
“First of all, I didn’t guarantee no war,” the president told Welker. “Why would I have built the strongest military in the world?”
But on the campaign trail, Mr. Trump repeatedly pledged to “expel the warmongers from our government” and strongly hinted there would be no new wars, like was the case in his first term.
“I’m going to keep you out of wars, I kept you out of wars,” the president said in a July 24, 2024, campaign rally.
And in his November 2024 victory speech, he said, “We had no wars. Four years, we had no wars. Except we defeated ISIS. We defeated ISIS in record time. But we had no wars. They said, ‘He will start a war.’ I’m not going to start a war, I’m going to stop wars.”
The NBC Interview was not the first time the president has ended an interview abruptly over the questions.
In October 2020, he walked out of a “60 Minutes” interview with CBS News’ Lesley Stahl, voicing complaints about “tough questions.” In January 2022, he ended an interview with NPR when he was challenged about his 2020 election claims.
NBC News published a full transcript of the interview.
Jeff Nguyen and Austin Turner contributed to this report.
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