文字记录：众议员罗·卡纳做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目，2026年6月7日
2026-06-07T12:05:11-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是加利福尼亚州民主党众议员罗·卡纳的采访文字记录，该采访于2026年6月7日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们今天的节目首先请到加利福尼亚州民主党众议员罗·卡纳。很高兴你能亲临演播室。
众议员罗·卡纳： 很高兴能回来。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你刚从缅因州回来，周二那里将举行民主党初选。这次初选将有助于确定谁将挑战苏珊·柯林斯的参议员席位。她是长期担任该席位的共和党资深参议员。这一切最终都关乎谁将掌控国会、掌控参议院。我们之前提到过的格雷厄姆·普拉特纳引发了大量关注，没错吧？他是一名退伍军人，同时也是牡蛎养殖户，秉持反建制的进步主义主张。在他个人生活中的诸多行为、言论和活动遭到质疑之后，你为何仍在为他助选？
众议员卡纳： 我们原本计划举办一场集会，我想明确说明：他的行为是厌女的，是可耻的，是错误的，但缅因州的很多人对此并不意外。缅因州民众知道他曾两次赴伊拉克服役。他回国后身心俱疲，处于消沉状态。这不能为他的行为开脱，但他们确实了解这些情况。他曾在华盛顿工作，之后回到缅因州创办了牡蛎养殖场。他已经承担了责任。他自己也说过，那是一段可耻的经历，他已经改过自新。如今他的竞选主张是推行全国医保，而苏珊·柯林斯却投票支持削减医保。他主张对亿万富翁征税，而苏珊·柯林斯则支持为亿万富翁提供减税优惠。他反对这场对外战争，而苏珊·柯林斯支持对伊朗发动战争，这就是我仍支持他的原因。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但我想具体谈谈我们此前提及的那些细节。普拉特纳的竞选团队承认，这名候选人在已婚期间曾向多名女性发送露骨的色情短信，而且此事就发生在近期。他承认自己曾纹有纳粹符号的纹身，后来将其遮盖，但他声称当时并不清楚该符号的关联和象征意义。此外，他还在社交媒体上发布过侮辱农村民众、淡化性侵问题的帖子。他已经就部分行为道歉或表示后悔。正如你刚才提到的，他还透露自己曾患有创伤后应激障碍（PTSD），并有酗酒问题。你是否确信所有有损他形象的信息都已被公开？
众议员卡纳： 这是他的说法。我的判断是，在初选前，大部分相关信息都已曝光。显然，如果存在暴力行为的证据，我绝不会支持他。如果存在性侵的证据，我绝对不会支持他。他承认自己的行为厌女且可耻。有一点我想明确说明：我们不应指责挺身而出的女性，不应指责记者。有些人一直在攻击《纽约时报》的记者——他们只是履行了职责。我们应该正视这是厌女行为，承认其错误，着眼于他的改过自新，然后聚焦于他的竞选主张，即停止对外战争、对抗亿万富翁阶层。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你曾说没有暴力行为的证据。在你看来，目前没有任何可信的相关证据？
众议员卡纳： 我的看法是，即便根据《纽约时报》的报道，他们也表示没有造成伤害、没有人身伤害，只是存在言语恐吓和关系紧张的情况，我对此予以谴责。但格雷厄姆明确表示，没有暴力行为的证据，这在我看来是一条红线。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过，有一位名叫林赛·菲尔德的女性，她曾与普拉特纳交往约两年时间，她在社交媒体上发帖，还公开讲述了两人的恋情。她表示，普拉特纳在国会山的公寓里随意摆放AR-15步枪，并告诉她如果有人闯入，他就强奸对方以彰显自己的强势。她确实说过普拉特纳从未打过她或拳打她，但表示他行为粗暴，还曾拽过她的肩膀。她还描述过，在她拒绝下车时，普拉特纳强行拉她的手臂。多年来，我们一直秉持“相信所有女性”的原则。你相信她的说法吗？
众议员卡纳： 是的，我认为我们民主党方面不应攻击她，我钦佩她挺身而出的勇气。我知道有些人说：“哦，她是共和党人。”我认为这无关紧要。我相信她。我认为格雷厄姆的行为可耻，正如《纽约时报》所描述的那样，他的这段关系充满 toxicity。这很可耻，也很恶劣。那发生在他人生的消沉时期，我遇到的缅因州选民也表示，他们不喜欢这种行为。他们知道他有过这样的人生篇章，但愿意给予他宽恕和改过自新的机会，现在他们更关注他的竞选主张。但我确实认为我们不该攻击她。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 而普拉特纳的竞选团队将这位指控者描述为一名共和党特工，称其毕生致力于帮助共和党人当选。她确实是保守派人士。你会建议普拉特纳的竞选团队停止攻击她吗？
众议员卡纳： 绝对会。他们不应攻击她，也不应攻击撰写报道的《纽约时报》记者。我认识那些记者，他们也曾写过批评我的文章。记者本就如此。唐纳德·特朗普才是那个攻击媒体的人。我们民主党不会攻击媒体。我们民主党主张在生活的方方面面都平等、尊重地对待女性。格雷厄姆·普拉特纳在21世纪初并没有做到这一点。他应该像对缅因州选民所说的那样，承认那是他人生中一段可耻的时期。他为自己当时的行为感到羞愧，这也正是他的不同之处：他为那段人生经历承担了责任。而像特朗普这样的人，从未承担过任何责任。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你提到了创伤后应激障碍，他也对此毫不避讳。我了解到，他曾三次赴伊拉克服役，之后又以私人身份在阿富汗工作。但一些退伍军人团体表示，他本质上是在利用PTSD作为不良行为的借口，并且以这种方式诋毁退伍军人群体。
众议员卡纳： 我不认为——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——这种说法是在诋毁他们，
众议员卡纳： 这不能成为借口，也不能为他陷入紧张的亲密关系或发表厌女性言论开脱——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 因为这听起来像是在被用作借口。
众议员卡纳： 好吧，我并不这么认为。事实上，我在发言中已经说过，这不是借口，但这是事实，是他当时的真实状态。但这也应该让我们意识到，我们国家在派遣民众参战的过程中毁掉了很多人。苏珊·柯林斯支持派遣民众赴伊拉克服役，而如今在对伊朗开战的第100天，我们又在毁掉更多人。汽油价格飙升，食品价格暴涨，这场对伊朗的战争是非法的、不道德的、毫无战略意义的，而格雷厄姆·普拉特纳正是站出来反对这场战争的人。这才是缅因州选民真正关注的重大议题：这场推高油价的战争、医保缺失的问题。但我确实不认为创伤后应激障碍可以成为不良行为的借口。但我们确实需要认识到，这些战争给人们带来的创伤。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 普拉特纳确实曾抗议过战争，但那是在他加入海军陆战队之前。之后他又以私人身份在阿富汗这个战区工作过。
众议员卡纳： 他是爱国的。你看，我在2003年就曾反对伊拉克战争，那也是我从政的起点。他当时也反对这场战争。我们发动伊拉克战争本身就是一个错误。如今他曾为国服役，但正如他所说，他患上创伤后应激障碍的原因之一是，他意识到自己的服役并没有带来任何积极意义。而现在的苏珊·柯林斯，一直在为对伊朗的战争辩解。开战108天以来，我们取得了什么成果？伊朗政权依然存在，他们依然拥有核燃料，汽油价格仍在飙升。普拉特纳参选的原因是什么？他就是要呼吁停止这些对外战争。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我之所以提起这个话题，是因为我听到民主党内部在这个问题上存在分歧，他们担心为了在批评共和党时占据道德高地，反而会放弃这一阵地，对吧？哥伦比亚广播公司新闻采访过一位前竞选官员，他对普拉特纳缺乏 vetting（背景审查）表示担忧。这听起来不过就是政治操作而已。
众议员卡纳： 正如我所说，缅因州的民众对此并不意外。这则全国性报道确实让人意外，但他们早就知道他在华盛顿时曾有过不光彩的经历。之后他回到家乡，在海边经营了多年养殖场，重新找回了自我。但在我看来，选民们最关心的重大问题是：你是否支持这些战争？你是否支持对亿万富翁征税？你是否支持全国医保？这才是关键的对比。而竞选过程本身就是一个 vetting 过程，缅因州的选民们也在提出这些疑问——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 竞选过程就是背景审查？
众议员卡纳： 嗯，是初选过程，我的意思是，他已经进行了一年的竞选活动。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 他还能挺过又一轮丑闻吗？你们还有五个月的竞选时间。
众议员卡纳： 这要看情况。显然，如果今后出现任何实际的家庭暴力或性侵证据，我绝对零容忍。我曾带头对抗爱泼斯坦势力，该势力掩盖了包括托马斯·马西在内的性侵行为。我一直站在倡导女性权利和幸存者权利的前沿。但在这个案例中，当事人的人生曾有过一段黑暗时期，曾陷入紧张的亲密关系，对此感到羞愧，也曾为国服役，而缅因州的选民们表示：“好吧，给他一次宽恕的机会吧。”他的竞选主张是停止对外战争、推行全国医保、解决经济不平等问题。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。这正是你所支持的进步主义主张。罗·卡纳，感谢你抽出时间接受采访。
众议员卡纳： 谢谢。
Transcript: Rep. Ro Khanna on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” June 7, 2026
2026-06-07T12:05:11-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Ro Khanna, Democrat of California, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on June 7, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: But we begin this morning with Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Good to have you here in person.
REP. RO KHANNA: Good to be back.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re just back from Maine, and on Tuesday, there’s a primary there for Democrats. It will help to determine who is going to challenge Susan Collins for her seat. She is the longtime Republican senator who has held on to it. This is all ultimately about who is going to control Congress, control the Senate. There’s been a lot of excitement around Graham Platner, who we mentioned there, right at the top. He’s a veteran, an oyster man with this anti-establishment progressive message. Why are you still campaigning for him after all of these questions about action, comments, activity in his personal life.
REP. KHANNA: Well we had a rally planned, and I want to be clear: his actions were misogynistic, they were shameful, they were wrong, but they didn’t come as a surprise to a lot of the folks in Maine. People in Maine knew that he had had two tours of duty in Iraq. He came back broken in a dark place. That doesn’t excuse his behavior, but they knew this. He was in Washington, and then he went back to Maine, and he started an oyster farm. He took accountability. He himself has said it was shameful, and he had redemption. And now he’s running on a platform of national health insurance when Susan Collins is voting to cut it. He’s talking about taxing billionaires. Susan Collins is for tax breaks to billionaires, and he’s opposed to this foreign war where Susan Collins supported the war in Iran, and that’s why I’m still supporting him.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But I want to go through some of what we’re referring to here in specifics. The campaign acknowledged a candidate sent sexually explicit texts to multiple women while he was married, quite recently. He’s acknowledged he had a tattoo with Nazi symbols that he’s since covered up, but he claimed he didn’t know the linkage and the symbolism, and he’s had social media posts insulting rural people downplaying sexual assault. He has apologized or said he regrets some of that behavior. As you just alluded to, he has also referred to the fact he has dealt with PTSD and some alcohol issues. Are you confident all the damaging info is out?
REP. KHANNA: That’s what he says. My sense is, before the primary, a lot of this has come out. Obviously, look, if there was evidence of violence. I would not support him. If there was evidence of sexual assault, I’d have zero support for him. He acknowledges that he was misogynistic, it was shameful. One thing I want to make very clear, we should not be attacking the women who came forward. We should not be attacking the journalists. Some people have been attacking the New York Times journalists- they’re- they did their job. We should focus on acknowledging it was misogynistic, acknowledging it was wrong, moving on with redemption, and then focusing on his issues, which are stopping the war, taking on the billionaire class.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You said there was no evidence of violence. You- in your view, there’s nothing credible at this point,
REP. KHANNA: My view is that even according to the New York Times piece, they said there was no harm, no injury, there was toxicity, and there was verbal intimidation, which I condemn, but Graham has made it clear that there was no evidence of violence, that to me is a red line.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, because there’s this woman, Lyndsey Field, who dated him for about two years’ time, and she’s been posting on social media, speaking on the record about their relationship. She said he left an AR 15 lying around his Capitol Hill apartment when he lived here, told her if anyone broke in he’d rape them to show he’s dominant. She did say he never hit her or punched her, but said he could be rough, and she described being grabbed by her shoulder. She described him pulling her arm as she was refusing to get out of a car. Years ago, the mantra was ‘believe all women.’ Do you believe her?
REP. KHANNA: Yes, and I don’t think our side should be attacking her, and I appreciate her courage from coming forward. I know some people are saying, ‘Oh, she’s a Republican.’ I think that is irrelevant. I believe her. I think Graham acted shamefully, and he acted as The New York Times characterized it, as a toxic relationship. It is shameful. It is ugly. It happened in a dark period of his life, and the Maine voters that I met said they don’t like it. They knew that he had these chapters. They are willing to extend him grace and redemption, and they’re focused now on what he’s running for. But I do not think we should be attacking her.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So it is his campaign, the Platner campaign, that described the accuser as a GOP operative who has dedicated her career to electing Republicans. She is a conservative. Would you advise the campaign to stop attacking her?
REP. KHANNA: Absolutely. They should not attack her. They should not attack the New York Times reporters who wrote the story. I know those reporters, they have written things critical of me. That’s what journalists do. Donald Trump is the one who attacks the press. Our party doesn’t attack the press. Our party believes that you treat women with equality and respect in all aspects of their lives. Graham Platner did not do that in the early 2000s. He should just say what he has said to Maine voters, that was a shameful period in his life. He’s ashamed of that conduct, and that’s what makes him different, is that he’s taken accountability for that period of his life. Others, like Trump, have never taken accountability.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you mentioned the PTSD, and he has been very open about that. What he went through, coming back from, I believe, three tours in Iraq, and then he worked in a private capacity in Afghanistan. But some veterans groups have said that, you know, he’s basically using it as an excuse for bad behavior.
REP. KHANNA: I don’t think–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –and maligning them in that way,
REP. KHANNA: It’s- it’s not an excuse, it doesn’t justify him being in toxic relationships or saying misogynistic things–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because it sounds like it’s being used as an excuse.
REP. KHANNA: Well, I don’t view, in fact, in my remarks I said it’s not an excuse, it’s- but it’s the truth, it’s his truth of who he was, but what it should tell us is we broke a lot of people in this country by sending people to Iraq. Susan Collins sent people to Iraq, and now on the 100th day of a war in Iran, we’re breaking more people. Gas is through the roof, food is through the roof, and this Iran war is an illegal war, immoral war, an unstrategic war, and Graham Platner is running to stop it. That is the big issue that Maine voters were talking about, the war that’s increasing gas prices, the lack of healthcare, but I don’t believe PTSD should be an excuse for bad behavior. But we do need to recognize the toll these wars are taking on people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And Platner did protest against the war, but that was before he enlisted in the Marines. And then subsequently worked in a private capacity in Afghanistan, another war zone.
REP. KHANNA: He was patriotic. Look, I ran against the war in Iraq in 2003. That was how I started. He was opposed to the war. We have made a mistake by getting into the war in Iraq. Now he served the country, but one of the reasons he went into PTSD, if you talk to him, as he said, I realized that my service did not have a purpose for doing good. And now you’ve got Susan Collins, who has been an apologist for the war in Iran on this 108 What have we achieved? You still have an Iranian regime there, they still have the nuclear fuel there, the gas prices are through the roof. And why is Platner in the race? Because he’s saying stop these foreign wars.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So it just- I raise this because I have heard Democrats argue over this issue, and the worry that they are ceding the moral high ground that they want to hold in order to stand on it and criticize Republicans, right? CBS News has spoken to a former campaign official who expressed concern about the lack of vetting of Platner. This sounds like it’s just, you know, this is just politics,
REP. KHANNA: Like I said, the people in Maine were not surprised. I mean, it was a surprise to the national story. They knew that when he was in DC, he had shameful parts of his life. Then he came back, he started an oyster farm, he was on the ocean for years, he found himself. But the big issue for voters, in my view, is, are you for these wars, are you for taxing billionaires? Are you for national health insurance? And that’s the contrast, and the campaign is a vetting process, and the voters of Maine are asking these–
MARGARET BRENNAN: The campaign’s the vetting process?
REP. KHANNA: Well, the primary campaign, I mean, it’s been a year of campaigning that he has, that he has had.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Can he survive another scandal? You have five months here.
REP. KHANNA: Well, it depends. What I’m not, you know, I mean, obviously, if there was any evidence that comes out that there is actual domestic violence or assault, I have zero tolerance for that. I led the fight against the Epstein class, which has been a cover-up for sexual abuse with Thomas Massie. I’ve been at the forefront of championing women’s rights and rights of survivors, but here you have a case of someone who had a dark chapter in his life, was in toxic relationships, was ashamed about it, who served this country, and the Maine voters are saying, Look, let’s give him some grace, and his focus is stopping these wars, and it’s getting national health insurance, and it’s taking on economic inequality,
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. And that is the progressive message that you are supporting. Ro Khanna, thank you for your time.
REP. KHANNA: Thank you.
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