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以下是内布拉斯加州共和党众议员唐·培根的采访实录，该采访于2026年6月7日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 接下来我们连线内布拉斯加州奥马哈的共和党众议员唐·培根。欢迎再次来到《面对面》节目。
众议员唐·培根： 谢谢你，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 在聊国家安全议题之前，我想先问问政治和候选人素质的问题。上个月，德克萨斯州共和党人选择肯·帕克斯顿作为他们的参议院候选人，尽管作为德克萨斯州总检察长，他曾被共和党控制的州众议院以多项滥用职权的罪名弹劾，其中包括贿赂指控。他的妻子以通奸为由提出离婚，称这符合《圣经》中的相关准则，他还在2015年因证券欺诈罪名被起诉，后来该指控被撤销。尽管有这些前科，前总统还是支持他，反对现任参议员约翰·康林，德克萨斯州共和党人也同样如此。对于你们政党来说，特朗普的支持是否比候选人的个人品行更重要？
众议员培根： 我认为在很多情况下确实如此。他在党内初选中的背书往往最有分量。但我觉得这次是个错误，这对前总统本人也造成了损害。很多参议员和约翰·康林关系都很好，他是一位资深筹款人，帮助全国各地的许多共和党人当选，所以大家对约翰·康林有很多忠诚。事实上，我也认识他，我很钦佩这个人。现在我们在德克萨斯州提名了一位可能在大选中最弱势的候选人，这让这个席位变得岌岌可危。所以，我认为这个决定并不明智。另外还有一个因素，民主党候选人在德克萨斯州其实也相当弱势。所以我认为两党都提名了在大选中容易落败的候选人。但约翰·康明明明白白可以轻松赢得这个席位，现在共和党人却要投入大量资金来保住它，我认为这是个失误。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我知道你已经选择退休，但如果你需要参与竞选并向选民解释这些情况，包括高油价问题，你会如何说服选民？
众议员培根： 嗯，以我为例，我一直努力做正确的事，不管是否符合前总统特朗普的立场。我只是试着直视选民的眼睛，告诉他们：“嘿，我支持乌克兰，我认为关税是错误的，我有投票记录可以证明这一点。我还支持我们加固边境的举措，总体上支持我们对伊朗的政策，因为伊朗47年来一直在与我们为敌。”所以我只是试着客观公正地评判，保持诚实，努力当选后兑现竞选时的承诺。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。那我们先暂停一下，插播广告，之后再继续讨论这些议题。请稍候，我们还有更多问题要问培根众议员，《面对面》节目还有更多内容。请继续收看。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 欢迎回到《面对面》节目。我们继续与内布拉斯加州共和党众议员唐·培根的对话。议员先生，我们接下来聊聊欧洲和乌克兰的局势，但我想先问问你对周六诺曼底纪念活动上发言的看法。赫格西特部长在讲话中似乎将移民问题与盟军解放欧洲的诺曼底登陆遗产联系起来。我们来听一下他的发言。
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国防部长赫格西特： 可悲的是，如今不同的危险意识形态正冲击着欧洲的不同海滩。西班牙、意大利、希腊和保加利亚的海滩。船只和人员不断涌入。欧洲各国首都何时才能采取行动应对这场入侵？
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 我不确定他这个类比里的“盟友”指的是谁，但我想听听你对赫格西特部长这番言论的看法。
众议员培根： 你知道，诺曼底登陆纪念日是用来庆祝伟大胜利的时刻。我去过奥马哈海滩，我们一天之内就在这片海滩上损失了约3000名士兵。这才应该是这次纪念活动的焦点。这是一个与我们的盟友共同庆祝的机会，我们曾并肩作战击败纳粹德国。而我们很多人对本届政府，尤其是五角大楼，感到担忧的是，他们现在对欧洲、对欧盟、对北约以及北约的许多成员国都大加批评，但我们几乎听不到他们批评俄罗斯，这让我们很不安。他们为什么对俄罗斯如此软弱？这会影响他们对乌克兰的外交政策，影响他们对波罗的海国家的政策，但他们却总是迫不及待地批评欧洲。这让我想起赫格西特部长在Signal通讯软件上发给副总统的信息，他说他多么厌恶欧洲。我认为这对美国不利，对我们的国家安全不利，我们是盟友，必须携手对抗俄罗斯、对抗中国，在中东问题上也需要盟友的支持。而他持续不断的批评，加上前总统对格陵兰岛和加拿大的威胁，已经损害了我们的国际形象。我们的盟友已经对我们失去了很多信任。所以我认为这位部长的这些言论毫无益处。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我知道你一直站出来反对俄罗斯、支持乌克兰。你上周就和一些同事一起这么做了，正如你在众议院 floor 上的发言所说：“这是我们的丘吉尔时刻，或是张伯伦时刻，老天在上，我会选择丘吉尔。”上次乌克兰援助法案投票时，有17名共和党议员加入了你，当时有100名共和党议员支持该法案。这到底是怎么回事？你要如何推动参议院通过众议院已经通过的法案？
众议员培根： 这里有几个问题。首先，前总统一直想通过谈判达成解决方案，但我认为这行不通。他太像一个裁判，试图在一场拳击比赛中调解双方，但情况并非如此。一方是入侵乌克兰的国家，他们每晚都在轰炸城市。这本质上是正义与邪恶的较量，美国应该毫不掩饰地站在正义的一边，支持民主、支持那些想要自由市场、想要与我们结盟的国家。俄罗斯仇恨我们，我不知道为什么总统看不到这一点。普京仇恨美国，仇恨我们所代表的价值观。所以这是众议院这边的问题，议长不愿站在总统的对立面，因此他花了很大力气，我们称之为“拉票反对”这次投票。我认为他错了。我在本届国会已经等了一年半，希望能在乌克兰问题上有所作为，但我们什么都没做成。领导层和总统既没有发起投票，也没有出台政策支持这个为生存而战的国家。我同意你之前采访中提到的观点，乌克兰目前占据上风，但俄罗斯每晚都在轰炸那些城市，我们应该帮助他们抵御这些弹道导弹袭击。议长带头反对我们，所以支持法案的共和党议员人数才会下降。我认为他错了。他口口声声说支持乌克兰，但行动比语言更有说服力。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 泽连斯基总统上周日也做客了我们节目，他呼吁提供更多拦截弹，同时明确表示，他希望与美国关系良好的欧洲友好国家也能够生产“爱国者”防空系统。我知道你的同事迈克·特纳上周写信给总统，要求落实这部分内容。你支持这个提议吗？到底是什么原因导致进度缓慢？
众议员培根： 我确实支持。我们目前生产的“爱国者”导弹数量不足以满足伊朗局势和乌克兰的需求，同时我们还需要在亚洲部署同样的导弹防御系统，以应对朝鲜或中国的威胁，但我们的产量不够，所以应该让我们的盟友帮助建立额外的生产线。我知道乌克兰非常希望参与其中，他们也急需这些导弹。在这种情况下，由于伊朗问题导致我们的库存不足，我会与我们的盟友坐下来，盘点我们现有的资产，制定计划向乌克兰提供反弹道导弹技术和能力。我们无法独自承担所有任务，但我们应该与盟友坐下来，制定计划并付诸行动。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 唐·培根，内布拉斯加州共和党众议员。非常感谢你，先生。我们马上回来。
Transcript: Rep. Don Bacon on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” June 7, 2026
2026-06-07T12:07:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Don Bacon, Republican of Nebraska, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on June 7, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Republican Congressman Don Bacon, who joins us from Omaha, Nebraska. Welcome back to Face the Nation.
REP. DON BACON: Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Before we get to national security, I want to ask you about politics and candidate quality. Last month, Texas Republicans chose to make Ken Paxton their Senate nominee, despite the fact, as Texas AG, he was impeached by the Republican-controlled House on multiple charges of abuse of office, including bribery. His wife is divorcing him on what she called biblical grounds because of adultery, and he was indicted in 2015 on securities fraud charges that were later dropped. Despite all this, the President backed him over sitting Senator John Cornyn, and so did Texas Republicans. For your party, does Trump’s favor carry more weight than character?
REP. BACON: I think in many cases it does. His endorsement in a primary is often carries- carries the most weight. I think it was a mistake. I think this has hurt the president. A lot of senators feel very close to Senator Cornyn. He was a big fundraiser. He helped a lot of these Republicans get elected all over the country, so there’s a lot of loyalty to John Cornyn. In fact, I know him too, and I admire the guy. And now they’ve not- we’ve nominated a guy in Texas that is probably the most vulnerable in a general election, and it puts that seat up for grabs. So, it was- I don’t think it was a wise decision, and I would say- one other factor here is the Democrat nominee. I think he’s also pretty weak, though, in Texas. So, I think they both- both sides have nominated people that are vulnerable in general. But, John Cornyn could have won the seat easily, and now the Republicans will be spending a lot of money to hold it, and I think it was a mistake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I know you have chosen to retire, but if you were having to campaign and explain all this, including the higher gas prices, how would you persuade voters?
REP. BACON: Well, I try to, in my case, I try to show- I try to do what’s right, whether it’s President Trump’s position or not his position. And I just try to look voters in the eye that say, “Hey, I support Ukraine. I think tariffs are a mistake. I have votes to back it up. I also support the fact that we secured the border. I support, generally, what we’re doing in Iran, because Iran has been waging war against us for 47 years.” So, I just try to call balls and strikes, and I try to be honest, and I try to do once I’m elected what I campaign on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right. Well, we’ll let you call some of those balls and strikes on the other side of this commercial break that I have to take. So, please stay with us. We have more questions for Congressman Bacon, and a lot more Face the Nation. Stay with us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We return now to our conversation with Nebraska Republican Congressman Don Bacon. Congressman, I want to go to Europe and talk about Ukraine, but let me first ask you about what was said at Normandy on Saturday. Secretary Hegseth seemed in his remarks to link immigration to the legacy of the D-Day landings by Allied forces who were liberating Europe from the Nazis. Take a listen.
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SEC. HEGSETH: Sadly, today, different European beaches are stormed by different dangerous ideologies. Beaches in Spain and Italy and Greece and Bulgaria. Boats and men arrive. When will European capitals do something about that invasion?
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I’m not sure who the allies were in that analogy, but I wonder what you make of Hegseth’s remarks.
REP. BACON: You know, Normandy is a time to celebrate a great day. You know, it was- I’ve been on the beaches of Omaha, and you know, we lost about 3,000 troops on that beach on one day. That’s where the focus should have been. It’s a chance to celebrate with our allies. We work together to defeat Nazi Germany, and one of the concerns that many of us have when it comes to this administration, and particularly the Pentagon, right now, they’re very critical of Europe, they’re critical of the EU, they’re critical of NATO, they’re critical of a lot of the countries that make up NATO, and you never hear him criticize Russia, and that bothers us. Why are they so weak on Russia which affects their Ukraine foreign policy, their policy towards the Baltics, but they are quick to always want to criticize Europe. It reminds me of the message that Secretary Hegseth sent to the Vice President on Signal when he said how much he loathed Europe. Well, I think that’s not good for America. It’s not good for our national security, and we are allies. We have to work together to counter Russia, to counter China, to help us in the Middle East, and his constant criticism, along with the President’s threats towards Greenland, as well as Canada. It’s hurt us. Our allies have lost a lot of trust. So, I don’t think these comments by the Secretary were helpful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I know you have been taking a stand against Russia and for Ukraine. You did that this past week, along with some of your colleagues, as you put it in remarks on the House floor. “This is our Churchill moment, or our Chamberlain moment, and by God, I’m going to choose Churchill.” 17 Republicans joined you the last time we saw a vote on Ukraine aid, there were 100 Republicans supporting it. What is going on here? And how do you get the Senate to take up what you did get over the line?
REP. BACON: Well, a couple things here. First of all, the President has had a policy of wanting to negotiate a settlement. I don’t think it’s working. He is too much as trying to act like an umpire, trying to work with two different people in a boxing match, but it’s not the case. You have a country that’s invading Ukraine, they’re bombing cities every night. There’s a good versus evil here, and America should be, you know, unabashedly for the right side here, the democracy, the country that wants free markets, the country that wants to align with us. Russia hates us. I don’t know why the president can’t see that. Putin hates the United States, he hates what we stand for. So that’s- that’s a problem there when it comes to the House, the Speaker has not wanted his, not wanted to get in front of the president on this, and so he lobbied pretty hard, and we call it whipping against this vote. I think he was wrong. I’ve waited for a year and a half in this Congress to get something done on Ukraine, and we’ve done nothing. There’s been no votes, no policies from the leadership here or the president to support a country that’s fighting for its life. I agree with your previous interview that Ukraine has the upper hand right now, but Russia is bombing those cities every night, and we should be there to help them to defend against these ballistic missile attacks. The Speaker whipped against us, so that’s why I drove that number down. I think he was wrong. He says he’s pro-Ukraine, but the actions speak louder than words.
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Zelensky was on this program last Sunday, asking for more interceptors, but also he made clear that he wants friendly countries in Europe who have a good relationship with the US to be able to produce the Patriots as well. I know your colleague Mike Turner wrote to the President last week asking for that part to be delivered on. Do you support it? I mean, what’s the hold up?
REP. BACON: I do support it. We cannot produce enough Patriots right now to handle what we’re doing on Iran to provide. Ukraine, but also we need to have the same missile defenses in Asia, for whether it’s North Korea or China, and we’re not producing enough, so we should look for our allies to help create additional production lines. I know Ukraine would love to help do that, and they need these missiles very badly. What I would do in this case, and we have a low stockpile because of Iran, I would sit down with our allies and just look at what assets we have and come up with a plan to give anti-ballistic missile technology and capabilities to Ukraine, and we can’t do it all, but we should sit down with our allies and build a plan and get it done.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Don Bacon, Republican from Nebraska. Thank you so much, sir. We’ll be right back.
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