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以下是2026年2月15日在《面对国家》节目中对加利福尼亚州民主党众议员罗伯特·加西亚的采访实录。
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艾德·奥基夫： 欢迎回到《面对国家》。我们现在转向众议院监督委员会的最高级别的民主党议员、加利福尼亚州众议员罗伯特·加西亚，他今天上午从长滩（他曾担任该市市长）加入我们的节目。加西亚议员，很高兴见到您。感谢您的到来。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 当然可以，谢谢。
艾德·奥基夫： 我想快速切入，因为您所在的委员会本质上负责监督整个政府。作为民主党人，你们并没有控制该委员会。您已经就美国移民及海关执法局（ICE）在全国范围内的行动举行了一些非官方听证会。我很好奇，您是否正在与共和党人讨论开展任何调查工作，以调查美国移民及海关执法局和边境巡逻队在持续进行移民执法行动时被指控的不当行为。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 嗯，我认为最近我们确实看到越来越多的共和党人开始发声，展现出一定程度的勇气。移民及海关执法局（ICE）、海关与边境保护局（CBP）、国土安全部（DHS）完全失控了。我们不仅在听证会上听到了这些情况，当然也看到了全国各地发生的事情，以及人们讲述的他们的经历。我们谈论的是美国公民被枪击，美国退伍军人无故被拘留，年仅四五岁的儿童被驱逐出境，在其他情况下被送往拘留所，正如我们所看到的。所以我认为，你开始看到一些共和党人确实表现出关切。但是，目前国土安全部正在全国范围内制造恐慌，而唐纳德·特朗普不仅将国土安全部，特别是移民及海关执法局，变成了他自己的私人警察部队，我们现在知道移民及海关执法局的规模比以往任何时候都要大。
艾德·奥基夫： 但您目前不知道有任何共和党委员会主席正在计划调查所有这些指控，对吗？您是这个意思吗？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 哦，目前没有任何主席公开表示计划这么做。现在，你开始听到一些共和党人表现出一些担忧，但他们需要表现出更多的勇气。我是说，归根结底，迈克·约翰逊（Mike Johnson）会做任何唐纳德·特朗普让他做的事情——
艾德·奥基夫： ——是的——
罗伯特·加西亚议员： ——而共和党人需要站出来说出街头正在发生的真相。
艾德·奥基夫： 所以我今天早上想和您交谈的主要原因是，您现在正试图对爱泼斯坦相关文件进行相当深入的审查，这些文件现在已经由司法部发布。大约有350万份文件被发布，根据哥伦比亚广播公司新闻的审查，到目前为止似乎没有足够的证据对其他人提出刑事指控。周六晚上，美国司法部发布了这份法律要求的所有政府官员和政治公众人物的名单，名单上有300多人，他们承认这些人在各种情况下都被列入其中。司法部表示，他们这样做是因为这是法律规定。名单上包括从碧昂斯（Beyonce）到乔·拜登（Joe Biden）、乔治·W·布什（George W. Bush）、戴安娜王妃（Princess Diana）、迈克尔·杰克逊（Michael Jackson）、巴拉克·奥巴马（Barack Obama）、迈克·彭斯（Mike Pence）、特朗普家族、马克·扎克伯格（Mark Zuckerberg）等人，因为他们在文件中以某种方式出现过。有几个问题，为什么司法部会要求这样做？而且你们的监督委员会在夏天发出的传票难道不是违反了国会通过的法律吗？因此，这仍然是一个掩盖真相的行为，美国公众明白他们在继续隐瞒、保护和转移视线。为什么唐纳德·特朗普总统继续（在我们看来）保护这些有权势的人？我们不会停止，直到我们为受害者获得正义。
艾德·奥基夫： 司法部表示他们已经发布了所有他们能发布的内容，其余的则受到律师特权、包含受害者信息或包含儿童性犯罪材料的保护。我知道最近几天有一些关于少数几个本应被解除编辑但却被保留的名字的来回讨论。事实证明，这些名字与案件无关，他们只是恰好出现在与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的活动或照片中。但我想问的是您的调查，国会调查。您周五告诉司法部长，委员们需要超过七年的时间来检查那些三百万页文件的编辑内容，这听起来不切实际，但您的意图是审查所有这些文件，看看还有什么其他信息？还有哪些名字被提及或遗漏了？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 绝对是。看，我们委员会有一个很棒的团队正在审查，目前，他们正在检查每一份文件，查阅所有向公众开放的档案，查看编辑内容，试图理解和拼凑出调查结果。这不仅仅是文件。我们正在采访受害者，与关键证人交谈。
艾德·奥基夫： 对。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们将来也会举行听证会。所以所有这些都是调查的一部分，但归根结底，他们并没有给我们所有的文件。所以在我们真正获得全部文件之前，这不会是一个完整的调查，而由白宫和帕姆·邦迪（Pam Bondi）领导的掩盖行为仍在继续，美国公众看到了这一点，所以他们需要发布所有文件。
艾德·奥基夫： 好的。那么，基于您目前掌握的信息，您具体在寻找什么？是名字？是事件？还是需要澄清的情况？它们已经被发布或存在哪里？您在寻找什么？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 看，有很多事情。首先，我们希望确保所有作为同谋的人、那些自己恐吓和虐待妇女和儿童的人，他们的名字都应该被曝光。这项工作已经开始。调查的另一个部分是，谁在资助杰弗里·爱泼斯坦？例如，下周我们将采访莱斯·韦克斯纳（Les Wexner），他可能是向杰弗里·爱泼斯坦提供资金支持的最大个人捐赠者。他的钱从哪里来？为什么会有这些资金？这些资金去向了哪里？这是调查中另一个关键部分。我们还传票要求提供银行记录，所以我们正在审查这些记录，这些信息对我们的调查至关重要。当然，还有谁参与了贩卖女孩和妇女的活动？这不仅仅是吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦尔（Ghislaine Maxwell）。为什么全国各地，无论是纽约还是棕榈滩，都有那么多妇女受到攻击？看看海湖庄园（Mar-a-Lago），为什么那里会成为妇女继续被贩卖的地点？这些都是我们需要问的问题。我们有问题要问特朗普总统。更广泛地说——我认为这里更广泛的问题是，当这些指控和故事多年前就被联邦调查局（FBI）听闻时，为什么没有进行调查？调查在哪里？司法部在哪里？顺便说一句，这不仅仅是共和党政府的问题，也是民主党领导的政府的问题。我们必须得到答案。
艾德·奥基夫： 是的。您提到了韦克斯纳，您下周将采访他。您收到过那位曾经被称为安德鲁王子（Prince Andrew）的人的回复了吗？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们还没有收到，但我们绝对已经发了信件。我们确实想和安德鲁王子谈谈。而且不仅仅是安德鲁王子——前安德鲁王子。
艾德·奥基夫： 对。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我是说，现在在英国发生的事情相当惊人，实际上这表明了当政府倾听公众意见时会发生什么。
艾德·奥基夫： 当然。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 事实上，在英国发生了一些针对那些涉案人员的事情。那个例子，在世界其他地方发生的事情，也需要在美国发生，而事实上，我们认为，特朗普总统继续保护这些有权势的人是可耻的。今天就发布所有文件吧，最后，他们一直声称，哦，有，你知道，有律师特权，或者包含受害者信息或儿童性侵犯材料，所以不能公开。在《爱泼斯坦透明法案》（Epstein Transparency Act）中，这可能是真的，但在去年夏天监督委员会发出的要求提供完全相同文件的传票中，这并不适用。因此，国会现在没有理由不把所有文件都放在我们面前。
艾德·奥基夫： 司法部表示他们已经发布了他们能发布的一切，其余的受到律师特权、包含受害者信息或包含儿童性侵犯材料的保护。我知道最近几天有一些关于少数几个本应被解除编辑但却被保留的名字的来回讨论。事实证明，这些名字与案件无关，他们只是恰好出现在与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的活动或照片中。但我想问的是您的调查，国会调查。您周五告诉司法部长，委员们需要超过七年的时间来检查那些三百万页文件的编辑内容，这听起来不切实际，但您的意图是审查所有这些文件，看看还有什么其他信息？还有哪些名字被提及或遗漏了？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 绝对是。看，我们委员会有一个很棒的团队正在审查，目前，他们正在检查每一份文件，查阅所有向公众开放的档案，查看编辑内容，试图理解和拼凑出调查结果。这不仅仅是文件。我们正在采访受害者，与关键证人交谈。
艾德·奥基夫： 对。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们将来也会举行听证会。所以所有这些都是调查的一部分，但归根结底，他们并没有给我们所有的文件。所以在我们真正获得全部文件之前，这不会是一个完整的调查，而由白宫和帕姆·邦迪（Pam Bondi）领导的掩盖行为仍在继续，美国公众看到了这一点，所以他们需要发布所有文件。
艾德·奥基夫： 好的。那么，基于您目前掌握的信息，您具体在寻找什么？是名字？是事件？还是需要澄清的情况？它们已经被发布或存在哪里？您在寻找什么？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 看，有很多事情。首先，我们希望确保所有作为同谋的人、那些自己恐吓和虐待妇女和儿童的人，他们的名字都应该被曝光。这项工作已经开始。调查的另一个部分是，谁在资助杰弗里·爱泼斯坦？例如，下周我们将采访莱斯·韦克斯纳（Les Wexner），他可能是向杰弗里·爱泼斯坦提供资金支持的最大个人捐赠者。他的钱从哪里来？为什么会有这些资金？这些资金去向了哪里？这是调查中另一个关键部分。我们还传票要求提供银行记录，所以我们正在审查这些记录，这些信息对我们的调查至关重要。当然，还有谁参与了贩卖女孩和妇女的活动？这不仅仅是吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦尔（Ghislaine Maxwell）。为什么全国各地，无论是纽约还是棕榈滩，都有那么多妇女受到攻击？看看海湖庄园（Mar-a-Lago），为什么那里会成为妇女继续被贩卖的地点？这些都是我们需要问的问题。我们有问题要问特朗普总统。更广泛地说——我认为这里更广泛的问题是，当这些指控和故事多年前就被联邦调查局（FBI）听闻时，为什么没有进行调查？调查在哪里？司法部在哪里？顺便说一句，这不仅仅是共和党政府的问题，也是民主党领导的政府的问题。我们必须得到答案。
艾德·奥基夫： 是的。您提到了韦克斯纳，您下周将采访他。您收到过那位曾经被称为安德鲁王子（Prince Andrew）的人的回复了吗？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们还没有收到，但我们绝对已经发了信件。我们确实想和安德鲁王子谈谈。而且不仅仅是安德鲁王子——前安德鲁王子。
艾德·奥基夫： 对。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我是说，现在在英国发生的事情相当惊人，实际上这表明了当政府倾听公众意见时会发生什么。
艾德·奥基夫： 当然。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 事实上，在英国发生了一些针对那些涉案人员的事情。那个例子，在世界其他地方发生的事情，也需要在美国发生，而事实上，我们认为，特朗普总统继续保护这些有权势的人是可耻的。今天就发布所有文件吧，最后，他们一直声称，哦，有，你知道，有律师特权，或者包含受害者信息或儿童性侵犯材料，所以不能公开。在《爱泼斯坦透明法案》（Epstein Transparency Act）中，这可能是真的，但在去年夏天监督委员会发出的要求提供完全相同文件的传票中，这并不适用。因此，国会现在没有理由不把所有文件都放在我们面前。
艾德·奥基夫： 我们还想问一下，您提到的彼得·曼德尔森（Peter Mandelson），前英国驻美大使。您收到他的回复了吗？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们还没有收到，但我们绝对想和他谈谈。
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艾德·奥基夫： 商务部长霍华德·卢特尼克（Howard Lutnick）。他去年在一次采访中说他已经好几年没见过霍华德·卢特尼克了。事实证明，他在2012年和家人一起去了他位于美属维尔京群岛的岛屿，并且在2014年与他有商业往来。您是否正在与共和党主席吉姆·科默（Jim Comer）合作，要求霍华德·卢特尼克接受质询？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 我们已经要求杰米·科默（Jamie Comer）传唤霍华德·卢特尼克，但我们还没有收到回复。他不仅访问了那个岛屿，而且在已知杰弗里·爱泼斯坦因性侵儿童而被定罪后，他还与爱泼斯坦有大量沟通。因此，他实际上是在我们的政府中，这是很可耻的。他不应该担任商务部长。他应该来监督委员会接受质询。
艾德·奥基夫： 监督委员会上个月还投票决定因比尔和希拉里·克林顿（Bill and Hillary Clinton）未能出席类似的听证会而对他们处以国会藐视罪。他们现在定于本月晚些时候进行闭门作证。让他们来的目的是什么？
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 看，我们从第一天起就说过，我们愿意与任何人交谈，无论他们是共和党人还是民主党人，无论他们是谁，无论多么有权势。如果您有关于杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的信息，我们想和您谈谈。我们已经说了一段时间要和克林顿总统谈谈。我很高兴他能来。我想说的一点是，我认为克林顿总统和克林顿国务卿都表示他们希望这些听证会是公开的。
艾德·奥基夫： 对。
罗伯特·加西亚议员： 这是我们绝对支持的事情。我们有问题要问克林顿总统。我们会在未来几周在纽约提出这些问题，你知道，但我们需要与很多人交谈，我们能在公开场合进行这些对话，我认为这对美国人民更好。这是他们想要看到的，他们想了解爱泼斯坦的真相，他认识谁，他的钱从哪里来，为什么政府中有那么多人不断专注于掩盖他的罪行？
艾德·奥基夫： 众议院监督委员会最高级别的民主党议员罗伯特·加西亚议员，感谢您周日抽出时间与我们交谈。我们很欣赏，我们稍后回来。
Transcript: Rep. Robert Garcia on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Feb. 15, 2026
February 15, 2026 / 1:00 PM EST / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Robert Garcia, Democrat of California, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Feb. 15, 2026.
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ED O’KEEFE: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We turn now to the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, California Congressman Robert Garcia, who joins us this morning from Long Beach, where he used to be the mayor. Congressman, good to see you. Thank you for being with us.
REP. ROBERT GARCIA: Sure thing, thank you.
ED O’KEEFE: I want to start real quick because you are on the committee that essentially has oversight of the entire government. You’re Democrats. You don’t have control of the panel. You’ve held some unofficial hearings on ICE operations nationwide. I’m curious if you’re talking to the Republicans at all about doing anything to investigate allegations of wrongdoing of ICE and the Border Patrol as they continue to carry on immigration enforcement operations.
REP. GARCIA: Look, I think it’s just been very recently we actually see more and more Republicans actually speak out and begin to show some level of courage. ICE, CBP, DHS is completely out of control. We have heard, not just in hearings, but certainly in looking at what’s happening across this country and folks talking and telling their stories. We’re talking about U.S, citizens that are being shot. We’re talking about U.S. veterans that are being detained for no reason. Children that are being deported as young as four or five years old, sending to detention in other cases, as we’ve seen. And so I think you’re beginning to see some Republicans actually show concern. But, right now, DHS is causing terror across this country, and Donald Trump has turned not just DHS, but ICE specifically, which we now know is larger than it’s ever been, into his own personal police force.
ED O’KEEFE: But you know of no Republican committee chairman currently planning to investigate all these allegations, right? Is that what you’re saying?
REP. GARCIA: Oh, there’s no chairmen out there that have come out publicly. Now, you begin to hear some Republicans show some concern, but they need to show more courage. I mean, Mike Johnson, at the end of the day, does whatever Donald Trump wants him to do–
ED O’KEEFE: –Yeah–
REP. GARCIA: –and Republicans need to go out there and start speaking the truth of what’s happening on the street.
ED O’KEEFE: So the big reason I wanted to speak with you this morning is, of course, you’re now trying to conduct a pretty aggressive review of the Epstein documents, as they’ve now been released by the Justice Department. There have been about three and a half million documents released, and based on a CBS News review, so far there doesn’t appear to be enough evidence to criminally charge anyone else. Saturday night, the Department of Justice released this legally required list of all government officials and politically exposed persons in the Epstein files. More than 300 names on the list which they acknowledge are people who are here listed in a wide variety of contexts. DOJ says they’re doing this ask because it was part of the law. It lists everyone from Beyonce to Joe Biden, George W. Bush, Princess Diana, Michael Jackson, Barack Obama, Mike Pence, the Trumps, Mark Zuckerberg, among others, because they came up in one way or another in the documents. A few questions, why was this asked for? And are you aware yet of any names being not on this list that should be on the list?
REP. GARCIA: We’re reviewing that list, of course, but let’s, let’s be really clear, this is a massive cover up being led by the White House and the DOJ. The fact that 50%, half of the Epstein files have not been released to the public and to the Congress, and of those that have been released, the actual files that have been out in the public or that we’ve seen, they’re overly redacted. Many of the survivors and victims, their names are actually appearing with where there’s no protection for the survivors. Yet, the names of billionaires, the names of folks that could be co-conspirators that helped fund Jeffrey Epstein, that could have actually been involved in the terror and rape, as we know, abuse of women and children, some of those names continue to be redacted and protected. Why won’t the DOJ actually follow the law? Not just of what was passed by Congress but the subpoena that was put in place by the Oversight Committee during the summer. And so this continues to be a cover up, and the American public understands that they continue to hide and protect and deflect. Why does Donald Trump, the president continue to, in our opinion, to protect these powerful men? We’re not going to stop until we get justice for the survivors.
ED O’KEEFE: The Justice Department says they released everything they can, and the rest are protected by attorney privilege, contain victim information or contain child sexual assault material. I know there’s been a back and forth in recent days about a handful of names that were redacted, should have been unredacted. Turns out, they didn’t have anything to do with it. They just happened to be in an event or in a photo with Jeffrey Epstein, basically. But I want to ask you about your investigation, a congressional investigation. You told the attorney general on Friday, it would take more than seven years for members to check the redactions on those three million pages, which sounds unrealistic, but is it your intent to review all of those documents to see what other information is there? What other names are either mentioned or missing?
REP. GARCIA: Absolutely. Look, we have a great team on the committee that’s reviewing, right now, every single document, going through all the files that are available to the public, looking at redactions, trying to understand and piecing together an investigation. And it’s not just the documents. We’re interviewing survivors. We’re talking to key witnesses.
ED O’KEEFE: Right.
REP. GARCIA: We’re going to be holding hearings in the future as well. So all of that is part of this, but at the end of the day, they have not given us all the documents. So until we actually get the full set of files, this is not going to be a complete investigation, and the cover up that’s being led by the White House and Pam Bondi is continuing, and the American public sees this, and so they need to release all of the files.
ED O’KEEFE: All right. Well, working with what you’ve got so far, what are you looking for specifically? Are there names? Are there events? Are there situations to clarify that they’ve been released or that they’re out there? What is it you’re looking for?
REP. GARCIA: Look, there’s a variety of things. Number one is we want to ensure that all the names of the men that either were co-conspirators, those that themselves terrorized and brutalized women and children, those people need to be exposed. That work has begun. An additional piece of this is who is financing Jeffrey Epstein? So, for example, this upcoming week, we’ll be interviewing Les Wexner, who is likely have been the single largest benefactor in providing financial support to Jeffrey Epstein. Where did he get all of his money and for what? And where was that money going? That is another critical part of this investigation. We’ve subpoenaed also the bank records, so we’re going through all those and that information is critical to our investigation. And then, of course, is who was involved in the trafficking of girls and women? It wasn’t just Ghislaine Maxwell. Why were there so many women being attacked in places across the country, whether it was New York, but also Palm Beach. You look at Mar-a-Lago, why was Mar-a-Lago a location where women continue to be trafficked from? So these are questions that we need to ask. We have questions for, for President Trump. And the broader- I think the broader issue here is why wasn’t this investigated when these, when these, when these accusations and these stories actually were heard by the FBI years ago? Where was the investigation? Where was the DOJ? And this, by the way, is an issue not just in Republican administrations but also ones led by Democrats. We have to get answers.
ED O’KEEFE: Yeah. You mentioned Wexner, who you’re interviewing this coming week. Have you heard back yet from the man formerly known as Prince Andrew?
REP. GARCIA: We have not, but we absolutely have sent letters. We want to actually talk to Prince Andrew And it’s not just Prince And- former Prince Andrew.
ED O’KEEFE: Right.
REP. GARCIA: I mean, what’s happening right now across- over in the UK is pretty stunning, and it’s actually a show of what is- what happens when the government listens to the public.
ED O’KEEFE: Sure.
REP. GARCIA: There are actually things happening to those have been involved. That example, that’s happening over there and in other parts of the world, needs to happen in our country, and the fact that the White House continues to cover up for these files and for these men, I think, is shameful. Release all the files today, and last thing, they keep claiming that, oh, well, there is a, you know, there’s attorney-client privilege or there’s interagency communication we can’t put out to the public. That might be true in the Epstein Transparency Act, but it’s not true in the subpoena that asked for the exact same documents that was passed last July and August. And so there is no reason why Congress shouldn’t have all of the documents in front of us right now.
ED O’KEEFE: Let me ask you about a few more specific names. I’ve heard about the cover up that you’re alleging by the White House. Let’s work through some of these names. Peter Mandelson, the former British ambassador to the U.S. You heard back from him yet?
REP. GARCIA: We have not, but we absolutely want to talk to him.
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ED O’KEEFE: Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. He had said in an interview last year he hadn’t seen Howard Lutnick in years. Turns out, he went to see his island off the U.S. Virgin Islands with his family back in 2012, and he had business interests with him in 2014. Are you working with Republican Chairman Jim Comer to bring Howard Lutnick in for questioning?
REP. GARCIA: We have asked Jamie Comer to bring in Howard Lutnick, and we have yet no, had no response. Not only did he visit the island, he had tons of communication with Jeffrey Epstein after it was already known that Jeffrey Epstein was essentially convicted for preying on children. So it is, it is shameful that he’s actually in our government. He should not be the Commerce Secretary. He should come talk to the Oversight Committee.
ED O’KEEFE: The Oversight Committee also voted last month to hold Bill and Hillary Clinton in contempt of Congress for failing to show up for similar testimony. They’re now scheduled to appear later this month for closed door testimony. What’s the point of having them come in?
REP. GARCIA: Look, we’ve said from day one that we’re willing to talk to anybody, whether they’re Republicans or Democrats, whoever they are, whatever, how powerful they are. If you have information about Jeffrey Epstein, we want to talk to you. We’ve been saying that about, about President Clinton for a while. I’m glad that he’s coming in. Look, the one thing I’ll say, I think both President Clinton and Secretary Clinton have also added that they would like those hearings to be public.
ED O’KEEFE: Right.
REP. GARCIA: That’s something that we absolutely support. We have questions for, for President Clinton. We’ll be asking those in New York in the weeks ahead, as you know, but there’s a lot of people that we need to speak with, and the more that we can have these conversations in public, I think it’s better for the American people. It’s what they want to see, and they want to understand what was the truth about Epstein, who he knew, where he got his money from and why has there been a constant focus on covering up his crimes by so many in government?
ED O’KEEFE: Congressman Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, thank you for spending part of Sunday with us. We appreciate it, and we’ll be right back.