2026-03-08T19:02:00-0400 / CBS新闻
随着美国和以色列对伊朗的打击进入第二周，今晚您将听到国防部长皮特·赫格斯的讲话。据五角大楼称，超过5万名美军士兵参与执行所谓的“史诗狂怒行动”。我们的CBS新闻同事加勒特少校与赫格斯就伊朗战争进行了交谈。
在我们周五与国防部长皮特·赫格斯会面时，美军称已对伊朗境内的3000个目标发动打击。
加勒特少校：众议院议长本周晚些时候表示，“任务……根据所有估计，几乎已完成。”这是真的吗？
皮特·赫格斯：哦，我们非常按计划推进。我昨天刚去过中央司令部——
加勒特少校：有人可能会因此认为战争几乎结束了——
皮特·赫格斯：嗯，事实并非如此。我们没有像乔治·W·布什在航母上那样悬挂“任务完成”的横幅。我们绝不会这么做，也从未这么做过。但我们可以明确告诉美国人民，这不是一场公平的战斗。
这是有意为之。我们的能力相比伊朗而言具有压倒性优势。坦率地说，当我们将美国空军与以色列国防军的空军力量结合起来时，这两支是世界上最强大的空军。
我们能够使用更多常规弹药，如重力炸弹、500磅、1000磅、2000磅炸弹，打击军事目标——我们甚至还没有真正开始这场战役的努力，而这将进一步展示我们如何实现这些目标。
加勒特少校：总统最近表示，除了无条件投降外，不会与伊朗达成任何协议。这意味着什么？什么是无条件投降？我们如何判断这是真实的？
皮特·赫格斯：这意味着我们要争取胜利。我们制定规则。当他们无力继续战斗时，我们就知道了。到那时，他们将别无选择，只能投降。无论他们是否意识到，他们都将失去战斗力，最终会投降。
加勒特少校：通常，投降是人与人之间的协议。在这种情况下，是否需要这样的协议？
皮特·赫格斯：嗯，有很多不同的方式。无论他们是否愿意承认，无论他们的自尊心是否让他们大声说出来——这由特朗普总统来制定投降条件。
伊朗总统昨日表示，美国要求无条件投降是“他们应该带到坟墓里的梦想”。
加勒特少校：伊朗和伊拉克之间曾有一场长达近八年的漫长战争，他们从未投降。我想知道这是否也会影响您或总统的决策——
皮特·赫格斯：我的意思是，我和我的同龄人都经历了一场漫长的战斗。
加勒特少校：是的，我知道，先生。
皮特·赫格斯：在伊拉克和阿富汗，我们采用了很多愚蠢的方法。这是战争，这是冲突，这是要让敌人屈服。至于他们是否会在德黑兰广场举行投降仪式，这取决于他们自己。
战争爆发的原因和过程有不同的说法。一些原本热情支持总统的人批评他，认为以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡将美国拖入了一场他们认为不符合美国利益的战争。
加勒特少校：您想回应这种批评吗？
皮特·赫格斯：我只知道，我每天都在总统身边，看到他如何运作，以及他优先考虑的是什么——那就是美国、美国人民和美国利益。
加勒特少校：有消息称，以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡在2月23日提供了关于其情报机构开发的关于阿里·哈梅内伊及其核心圈成员可能行踪的关键信息。美国随后通过中央情报局核实了这一情报，确认了相关信息，这为总统提供了一个机会。这就是战争爆发的导火索。这就是报道中的情况。国务卿，这准确吗？
皮特·赫格斯：总统特朗普的做法是从一开始就推进美国利益。无论情报来自以色列还是我们自己，我们的情报机构都会核实其准确性。很多时候，行动的最佳时机是基于触发条件或特定情况出现的时候。我们始终在控制是否采取行动的“油门”，最终目标是推进美国利益，保护美国人民的生命。
加勒特少校：有人可能会认为，这一系列事件更多是一个机会而非迫在眉睫的威胁。
皮特·赫格斯：我认为很多这种讨论都是——愚蠢且不切实际的。伊朗已经威胁了我们47-48年。他们的核野心从未停止。
在“12天战争”和“午夜锤行动”结束时，我们摧毁了伊朗的核计划。他们本应该坐下来谈判，承认“我们不会拥有核武器”。但他们没有。
因此，当总统看待这件事时，他从代际角度看到了持续增长的威胁。
尽管政府声称在6月摧毁了伊朗的核基础设施，但国际监测机构估计，伊朗仍拥有超过970磅接近武器级别的铀。
加勒特少校：如果我们不找到并获取高浓缩铀，是否有可能实现总统设定的目标？
皮特·赫格斯：我们有很多方法可以实现这一目标。他们每天都在增加导弹保护伞，扩大其生产能力，试图掩盖其核勒索野心。至于如何处理核威胁，我们确保他们的核野心永远无法实现。
加勒特少校：我们会亲自行动吗？
皮特·赫格斯：哦，我永远不会告诉您或其他人我们的选择。这是另一个问题。人们一直问——
加勒特少校：这其实不是——
加勒特少校：这是一个合理的问题。
皮特·赫格斯：非常合理。人们问是否要派地面部队，是否不派，是四周、两周、六周，是否要进入？特朗普总统知道，我知道，你不能告诉敌人、不能告诉媒体、不能告诉任何人行动的限制。我们会为了成功采取任何必要的措施。
加勒特少校：我们现在在伊朗境内有公开或秘密的部队吗？
皮特·赫格斯：如果有的话，我不会告诉您。
加勒特少校：我问这个问题是因为您本周早些时候说没有。现在还是这个答案吗？
皮特·赫格斯：是的，还是这个答案。但我们保留选择权。如果我们不保留采取任何特定行动的权利，那将是极其不明智的，无论是否包括地面部队。
加勒特少校：CBS新闻有三位消息人士告诉我们，俄罗斯正在向伊朗提供有关美国部署和行动的情报。普通美国人可能会觉得这是一个重大且危险的协议。这真的危险吗？
皮特·赫格斯：嗯，我们正在追踪一切。我们的指挥官都了解情况。我们拥有世界上最好的情报。我们知道谁在与谁交谈，为什么交谈，这些信息的准确性如何，以及我们如何将这些因素纳入我们的战斗计划和中央司令部的行动中。因此，我们知道正在发生什么。总统具有非凡的能力——能够知道如何减轻这些风险。因此，美国人民可以放心——他们的总司令清楚谁在与谁沟通。任何不应该发生的事情，无论是公开的还是秘密的，都会受到坚决的应对。
加勒特少校：因此，美国人是否可以预期与俄罗斯的对话会停止？
皮特·赫格斯：嗯，我——正如人们所见，特朗普总统与许多世界领导人有着独特的关系，他可以实现其他总统无法做到的事情。通过直接或间接对话，通过他本人或内阁成员，信息肯定会传递出去。
加勒特少校：俄罗斯的介入是否会让美国人员面临更多危险？
皮特·赫格斯：没有人会让我们陷入危险。我们是让敌人陷入危险，这是我们的职责。因此，我们并不担心这一点。我们会根据需要减轻风险。我们的指挥官会考虑所有这些因素。但目前唯一需要担心的是——那些认为自己能幸存的伊朗人。
上周日，六名美国陆军预备役人员在科威特被伊朗无人机袭击身亡。特朗普总统和赫格斯部长昨日出席了多佛空军基地的庄重交接仪式。今日下午又宣布一名军人死亡。
皮特·赫格斯：总统说会有伤亡是对的。这类事情总会有伤亡。还会有更多伤亡。没有人——我的意思是，尤其是我们这一代人知道——知道看到美国人抬着棺材回国是什么滋味。但这丝毫不会削弱我们的决心。这只会让我们更加坚定地说，这场战斗我们一定会赢——
据伊朗人权活动人士组织称，到目前为止已有超过1600名伊朗人死亡，其中包括南部一所学校的168人，大部分是儿童，而当时美国正在攻击该地区。
加勒特少校：您是否已得出结论，美国是否无意中参与了对那所学校的军事打击？
皮特·赫格斯：我们仍在调查，这就是我今天的结论。但我要向您和全世界强调，与我们的对手伊朗不同，我们从不以平民为目标。
加勒特少校：有报道称，两名官员本周晚些时候称可能是美国参与。这个报道是假的吗？
皮特·赫格斯：我已经说过我们正在调查。
加勒特少校：如果您能告诉美国民众“这绝对不是我们干的”，您会这么说，对吗？
皮特·赫格斯：我会——我会说正在调查，这是我唯一能给出的答案。
今晚，伊朗宣布其已故领导人的儿子将接替他。特朗普总统今早表示，任何未经他批准选出的领导人“不会长久”。
加勒特少校：您说这不是一场政权更迭战争，但政权已经改变，这很明显。您如何解释这两者？
皮特·赫格斯：当然可以。
加勒特少校：请说。
皮特·赫格斯：我的意思是我之前说的。这不是像乔治·W·布什时期那样派遣数十万军队的政权更迭战争。我作为一名年轻上尉在阿富汗看到，美国人以为我们能通过建立西式军队和西式机构，将阿富汗改造成杰斐逊式民主国家，这种傲慢是行不通的。我亲眼目睹了这一切的发生，这并不能否定在那里战斗的美国人的勇气。但我们不会从美国的角度改造伊朗社会。我们尝试过，但美国人民已经拒绝了那种做法。特朗普总统称那些战争很愚蠢。我们不会用那种方式战斗。
加勒特少校：特朗普总统本周还表示，他希望保护一些他认为能在伊朗掌权的人。这是您部门的新任务吗？
皮特·赫格斯：不。
加勒特少校：您如何保护他认为可能崛起的国内人士？
皮特·赫格斯：保护他们的最佳方式就是我们现在正在做的事情。您看到的美国和以色列的行动，是伊朗人民的一个历史性机会。
过去一周，伊朗向近十个中东国家发射导弹和无人机，包括美国盟友卡塔尔、巴林和沙特阿拉伯。
加勒特少校：玛格丽特·布伦南报道称，不是我们，而是该地区的盟友快耗尽拦截弹了。第一，这是真的吗？第二，我们准备如何帮助他们补充拦截弹，以保护他们继续这场战役？
皮特·赫格斯：我们非常准备充分。我们——我们早有计划。正如您昨天听到中央司令部司令库珀海军上将所说，他们的导弹发射量已减少90%。所以，如果——他们无法再发射那么多导弹——我们的弹药储备远远超过需求。如果需要，我们可以为盟友补充弹药，但始终确保首先照顾好我们的部队和基地。但如果我们能帮助盟友，我们会的。
战争开始以来，全球20%石油运输的霍尔木兹海峡的石油运输已停滞。美国汽油价格平均上涨近50美分/加仑。
加勒特少校：总统本周表示霍尔木兹海峡将得到控制。这将如何实现？那些停滞在那里的船只如何恢复航行，并确保不会受到伊朗剩余快艇或海峡沿岸炮台的阻碍？
皮特·赫格斯：我们正在处理这些问题。
加勒特少校：如何处理？
皮特·赫格斯：嗯，就是美国的火力。伊朗海军基本上已经不复存在。肯定会有更多船只被击沉。因此，他们在该地区的海军投射能力正在——
加勒特少校：正在减弱——
皮特·赫格斯：正在减弱，并且会进一步减弱。再次强调，我想让观众明白，这仅仅是个开始。
On U.S. strikes against Iran, Pete Hegseth says, “this is only just the beginning”
2026-03-08T19:02:00-0400 / CBS News
With U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran in their second week, tonight, you will hear from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. According to the Pentagon, more than 50,000 members of the U.S. military are involved in the execution of what it calls “Operation Epic Fury.” Our CBS News colleague Major Garrett spoke with Hegseth about the war with Iran.
The U.S. military said it had already struck 3,000 targets inside Iran when we met with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth on Friday.
Major Garrett: The speaker of the House said late this week, “The mission is,” and I’m quoting him directly here, “nearly accomplished by all estimates.” Is that true?
Pete Hegseth: Oh, we’re very much on track, on plan. I was down at CENTCOM– yesterday–
Major Garrett: Someone might hear that and think it’s almost over–
Pete Hegseth: Well, there’s no– we’re not flying a mission accomplished banner– like George W. Bush on– on an aircraft carrier. We’re not doing that and we haven’t done that. But we can be clear with the American people that this is not a fair fight.
And that’s on purpose. Our capabilities are overwhelming compared to what Iran’s are. And frankly, when you combine our Air Force with the air force of the Israeli Defense Forces, it’s the two most powerful air forces in the world.
The ability for us to be up over the top and hunting with more conventional munitions, gravity bombs, 500-pound, 1,000-pound, 2,000-pound bombs on military targets– that– we haven’t even really begun to start that effort of the campaign, which is gonna showcase even more how– how we will execute on those objectives.
Major Garrett: President said recently there will be no deal with Iran except unconditional surrender. What does that look like, unconditional surrender? How will you know it’s real?
Pete Hegseth: It means we’re fightin’ to win. It means we set the terms. We’ll know when they’re not capable of fighting. There’ll be a point where they’ll have no choice but to do that. Whe– whether they know it or not, they will be combat-ineffective. They will surrender.
Major Garrett: Typically the understanding of a surrender is person-to-person. Is that what would be required in a matter like this?
Pete Hegseth: Well, there’s a lotta different ways. Whether they want to admit it or not, whether their pride lets them say it out loud or not– it’s President Trump who will set the terms of that.
The president of Iran said yesterday that the U.S. demand for unconditional surrender is, quote, “a dream that they should take to their grave.”
Major Garrett: There was a very long war between Iran and Iraq, almost eight years, and they never surrendered in that war. And I’m just wondering if that factors into your calculus or the president’s calculus as well–
Pete Hegseth: I mean, there was a really long fight that I was a part of, that my generation was a part of.
Major Garrett: Yes. I know that, sir.
Pete Hegseth: In Iraq and Afghanistan– where a lot of foolish approaches were used. This is war. This is conflict. This is bringing your enemy to their knees. Now, whether they will have a ceremony in– in– in Tehran Square and– and– and surrender, that’s up to them.
There are varying versions of how and why the war started when it did. Some normally enthusiastic supporters of the president have criticized him suggesting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pulled the U.S. into a war that to their minds did not put American interests first.
Major Garrett: Do you want to address that criticism?
Pete Hegseth: All I know is, I’m in the room every day and I see how President Trump operates and what he’s putting first, and it’s America, Americans, and American interests
Major Garrett: It has been said that the Israelis, through Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, provided on February 23rd key information about intelligence they had developed about the likely whereabouts of Ali Khamenei and many in his inner circle.That the U.S. then checked it out through the CIA, confirmed that, and that was an opportunity that presented itself to the president. And that is the precipitating factor for this war. That’s the way it’s been reported. Is that accurate, Mr. Secretary?
Pete Hegseth:President Trump’s approach has been our interest in advancing those interests from the beginning. And so the fact that intelligence was gathered, whether from Israelis or ours, and always checked by our intel agencies to make sure– it’s accurate– a lotta times the best way to start operations is a trigger-based or condition-based moment. And you can work together on whether that makes sense. But we were always controlling the throttle about whether or not we go or not go. And ultimately, to advance American interests, and protect American lives.
Major Garrett: Some might look at that sequence of events and say, well, that it was an opportunity more than an imminent threat.
Pete Hegseth: I mean, I think much of that discussion is– silly and academic. They’ve been killing us for 48 years– 47 years. They have unabated nuclear ambitions.
And when we obliterated their nuclear program at the end of the 12-Day War and Operation Midnight Hammer– they should’ve come to the table and said, “Okay, we get it. You mean business. We’re not gonna have nukes.” And they haven’t.
And as a result, when the president looks at it, generationally he sees a threat that would continue to gather.
Despite the administration’s claim that it obliterated Iran’s nuclear infrastructure in June, international monitors estimate that Iran still has more than 970 pounds of nearly bomb-grade uranium.
Major Garrett: Is it possible to achieve the objectives President Trump has set before you if we don’t locate and obtain and extract the highly enriched uranium?
Pete Hegseth: There’s a lotta different ways we can get after that. They’ve used a conventional umbrella of– of missiles that was growing every single day, their production cap– capacity, to try to cover over their nuclear blackmail ambitions. As far as how you get at that nuclear option, we’ll make sure– that their nuclear ambitions are never achieved.
Major Garrett: Will we take it out ourselves?
Pete Hegseth: Oh I would never tell you or anybody else what our options are. That’s another thing. People keep asking–
Major Garrett: It’s not really–
Major Garrett: It’s a legitimate question.
Pete Hegseth: Very fair question. People ask boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, four weeks, two weeks, six weeks, go in, go in? President Trump knows, I know, you don’t tell the enemy, you don’t tell the press, you don’t tell anybody what– what your limits would be on an operation. We’re willing to go as far as we need to in order to be successful.
Major Garrett: Do we have any overt or covert forces inside Iran now?
Pete Hegseth: I wouldn’t tell you that if we did.
Major Garrett: Only reason I ask is, earlier this week you said no. Is that still the answer?
Pete Hegseth: Yeah, that’s still the answer. But we reserve the right. We would be completely unwise if we did not reserve the right to take any particular option, whether it included boots on the ground or no boots on the ground.
Major Garrett: CBS News has three sources telling us that Russia is providing intelligence to Iran on U.S. positions and movements. The average American might hear that and think that’s a big and dangerous deal. Is it?
Pete Hegseth: Well, we’re trackin’ everything. Our commanders are aware of everything. We have the best intelligence in the world. We’re aware of who’s talkin’ to who, why they’re talkin’ to ’em, how accurate that information might be, how we factor that into our battle plans, our CENTCOM commander. So– so we know what’s goin’ on. And the president– d– has an incredible– knack at knowing how to mitigate those risks. And so the American people can rest assured– their commander-in-chief is well aware of who’s talkin’ to who. And anything that shouldn’t be happening, whether it’s in public or back-channeled, is being confronted and confronted strongly.
Major Garrett: The American people can therefore expect conversations with the Russians to stop this?
Pete Hegseth: Well, I– President Trump, as people have seen, has a unique relationship with a lot of world leaders where he can get things done that other presidents, certainly Joe Biden, never could have. And through direct conversations or indirect, through him one-to-one or through his cabinet, messages– definitely can be delivered.
Major Garrett: Does this put U.S. personnel in any more danger than they otherwise would be?
Pete Hegseth: Well, no one’s–
Major Garrett: The Russian involvement?
Pete Hegseth: No one’s puttin’ us– us in danger. We’re puttin’ the other guys in danger, and that’s our job. So we’re not concerned about that. We mitigate it as we need to. Our commanders factor all of this. But the only ones that need to be worried right now are– are Iranians that think they’re gonna live.
Six U.S. Army reservists were killed in an Iranian drone attack in Kuwait last Sunday. President Trump and Secretary Hegseth attended the dignified transfer yesterday at Dover Air Force Base. One more service member’s death was announced this afternoon.
Pete Hegseth: The president’s been right to say there will be casualties. Things like this don’t happen without casualties. There will be more casualties. And no one is– I mean, especially our generation knows– knows what it’s like to see Americans come home in caskets. It’s– but that doesn’t weaken us one bit. It stiffens our spine and our resolve to say this is a fight we will finish—
So far, more than 1,600 Iranians have been killed, according to a group called Human Rights Activists in Iran. That includes 168 people, mostly children, at a school in the southern part of the country, an area the U.S. was attacking at the time.
Major Garrett: Have you made any conclusions about whether or not the United States, inadvertently or not, was involved in any military strike at that school?
Pete Hegseth: Well, we’re still investigating and that’s where I’ll leave it today. But what I will emphasize to you and to the world is that unlike our adversaries, the Iranians, we never target civilians.
Major Garrett: There was a report late in the week from two officials that it was likely U.S. involvement. Is that report false?
Pete Hegseth: I’ve already said we’re investigating.
Major Garrett: If you could tell the American public, “It definitively was not us,” you would tell us, wouldn’t you?
Pete Hegseth: I would– I would say that it’s being investigated, which is the only answer I’m prepared to give.
Tonight, Iran announced that a son of its slain leader would replace him. President Trump said this morning any leader picked without his approval, is, quote “not going to last long.”
Major Garrett: You said this is not a regime-change war, but the regime has changed, that’s obvious. Can you square the two?
Pete Hegseth: Sure.
Major Garrett: Go ahead.
Pete Hegseth: I meant what I said. It’s not a regime-change war in a conventional George W. Bush context of hundreds of thousands of troops. I mean, in Afghanistan what I watched as a young captain was Americans thinking we were gonna remake– a society that was basically biblical times with AK-47s and cellphones.
The hubris of, “We’re gonna take Afghanistan and turn it into a Jeffersonian democracy by building western-style forces and western-style institutions,” it was never gonna work. “And I saw it and watched it play out. And it doesn’t dispel the courage of the Americans who fought there, who I know there.” But this is not a remaking of the Iranian society from an American perspective. We tried that. The American people have rejected that. President Trump called those wars dumb. And we’re not fighting that way.
Major Garrett: President Trump also said this week he would like to protect some of the people who he would like to come to power in Iran. Is that a new mission for your department?
Pete Hegseth: No.
Major Garrett: How would you protect people that are inside the country that he might think could rise to the level of leadership there?
Pete Hegseth: Well, the best way to– to protect them is what we’re doing right now. What you see right now between– American efforts and Israeli efforts is a generational opportunity for the people of Iran.
This past week, Iran launched missiles and drones at nearly a dozen Middle Eastern countries including American allies Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia.
Major Garrett: There’s reporting from our Margaret Brennan that not us, but allies in the region are running very low on interceptors. Is that true, number one, number two, how prepared are we to help them restock interceptors to protect them as we continue this campaign?
Pete Hegseth: Very prepared. We– we plan for that. As you heard Admiral Cooper yesterday lay out, CENTCOM commander, their missile projection is down 90% from that height. So if– excuse me, missile shots. So if they can’t shoot anywhere near that volume– our projections of munitions are– are– are well beyond what we would need. And we can crossload for allies if need be, always ensuring that our forces and our troops and our bases are taken care of first. But where we can help allies– we will.
Since the war began, oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world’s oil flows, have stalled. U.S. gas prices are up an average of almost 50 cents a gallon.
Major Garrett: President said this week the Strait of Hormuz will be taken care of. How will that be taken care of and how will the ships that are there, that are not moving, start to move and be moving with a degree of confidence that they will not be inhibited by what remains of the Iranian either boats or gun emplacements along that strait?
Pete Hegseth: Well, we’re takin’ care of a lot of that.
Major Garrett: How?
Pete Hegseth: Well, American firepower. What was the– Iranian Navy is largely no more. There’ll be more boats to be sunk, for sure. So their ability to project any power in that area in a naval sense is being–
Major Garrett: Is diminishing–
Pete Hegseth: Diminishing and will be increasingly diminished. Again, what I– what I want your viewers to understand is this is only just the beginning.
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