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以下是2026年3月15日在《面对国家》节目中播出的对伊朗外长阿巴斯·阿拉格希的采访实录。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：我们现在连线特拉维夫的查理·达加塔，接下来是伊朗外长阿巴斯·阿拉格希。晚上好，先生。
伊朗外长阿巴斯·阿拉格希：晚上好。感谢您第二次邀请我。
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的，现在形势非同寻常。部长，特朗普总统本周末表示，他还不准备与伊朗达成协议，因为条款还不够好。他的政府称这场战争可能还会持续三周半左右。伊朗是否请求停火？
阿拉格希外长：不，我们从未请求停火，甚至从未请求谈判。我们将尽一切努力保卫自己。到目前为止我们一直这样做，并且会继续下去，直到特朗普总统意识到这是一场无法取胜的非法战争。要知道，有人只是因为特朗普总统想”玩乐”而丧生。他确实说过——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——玩乐？
阿拉格希外长：是的，他说他们在击沉船只、袭击不同目标，只是因为这很有趣。国防部长也说过”没有怜悯”，这实际上是战争罪——甚至说这种话都是战争罪。这是特朗普总统和美国发动的一场选择战争，我们将继续自卫。
玛格丽特·布伦南：这可能是您的立场，但先生，这对您的政府来说是一场生存之战。部长，您难道不需要通过直接或第三方谈判来解决问题吗？
阿拉格希外长：这不是生存之战。我们足够稳定和强大。我们只是在保卫人民免受这种侵略行为的伤害。我们看不出有什么理由要和美国人谈判，因为当他们决定袭击我们时我们就已经和他们谈过了，这是第二次了。和美国人谈判没有好结果。我们谈过，但他们为什么决定袭击我们？所以再次谈判有什么好处？
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们稍后再谈这个。您指的是与特朗普总统女婿贾里德·库什纳及其特使史蒂夫·维特科夫的外交接触。但先继续这个话题：伊朗正在向邻国派遣无人机和导弹，包括美国在海湾的盟友。战前伊朗与这些国家有贸易往来和关系。如果伊朗在冲突中生存下来，您将如何恢复与这些国家的贸易？
阿拉格希外长：显然，这些国家允许美军在其领土上攻击我们。我们能怎么办？我们只能看着美军从他们的领土上攻击我们——但这不是事实。我们只打击美军资产、设施和军事基地。事实是，他们利用邻国领土攻击我们：比如昨天他们用海马斯火箭炮袭击我们的岛屿，这是在阿联酋领土上；一周前，三架F-15战斗机在科威特被友军误击，但没人质疑他们为何在科威特。我们不能对这种行为保持沉默。
玛格丽特·布伦南：这些国家中的许多都是美国中央司令部成员，但这将长期损害您的国家。但关于霍尔木兹海峡，作为全球贸易的重要通道，您曾表示对以色列和美国关闭该海峡。《金融时报》报道称，法国和意大利的欧洲外交官正在与伊朗政府接触，寻求确保其船只安全通行。伊朗是否愿意重启石油和天然气运输船只通过该海峡？
阿拉格希外长：我们对希望确保船只安全通行的国家持开放态度。这取决于我们的军方决定，他们已决定让多国船只安全通过。我们为他们提供安全保障，因为我们从未关闭海峡，是美国的侵略行为造成了不安，导致船只不敢自行通过。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我想再次询问谈判问题。伊朗宣布拥有约440公斤核材料。这些材料现在在哪里？由谁保管？
阿拉格希外长：这不是我们宣布的，是国际原子能机构核实并宣布的。这不是秘密。该机构在多次报告中明确指出了我们浓缩铀的具体数量——现在这些材料在废墟之下。我们的核设施遭到袭击，虽然有可能在机构监督下回收，但目前我们没有计划这么做。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我理解得对吗？因为您曾在美军袭击前48小时向特朗普谈判代表提出：愿意放弃440公斤60%丰度浓缩铀进行稀释。这是阿曼提出给副总统万斯的协议的一部分。今天伊朗是否仍愿意放弃这些浓缩铀？
阿拉格希外长：那是我们与美方谈判的一部分。但目前桌上没有任何协议，一切取决于未来。如果将来决定谈判，我们可能会提出相关内容。现在，没有任何东西摆在桌上。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们已知有至少四名美国人被关押在埃文监狱，包括记者雷扎·瓦利扎德和61岁的卡姆兰·赫克马蒂。这些美国人的现状如何？他们安全吗？
阿拉格希外长：如果美国和以色列不攻击我们的监狱，他们应该是安全的。
玛格丽特·布伦南：外长，我们时间有限，我看到网络连接不稳定。我注意到您是通过Zoom接受采访的。伊朗民众无法自由上网，而您可以，为什么？
阿拉格希外长：因为我是伊朗人民的声音，必须捍卫他们的权利。因此我能使用互联网，让伊朗的声音被国际社会听到。互联网关闭是出于安全考虑，因为我们正遭受攻击和侵略，必须采取一切措施保护人民。在任何国家，战时都会采取紧急措施。
玛格丽特·布伦南：部长，很高兴这次连线成功。感谢您的时间，《面对国家》节目稍后继续。请继续收看。
Transcript: Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” March 15, 2026
2026-03-15T10:08:00-0400 / CBS News
Updated on: March 15, 2026 / 12:00 PM EDT / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on March 15, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Charlie D’Agata in Tel Aviv. We turn now to the Foreign Minister of Iran Abbas Araghchi. Good evening to you, sir.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, good evening to you. Thank you for having me for the second time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes, and they are extraordinary times. Minister, President Trump said this weekend he is not ready to make a deal with Iran because the terms aren’t good enough yet. His administration is saying this war could last another three and a half weeks or so. Has Iran asked for a cease fire?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: No, we never asked for a cease fire, and we have never asked even for negotiation. We are ready to defend ourselves as long as it takes. And this is what we have done so far, and we continue to do that until President Trump comes to the point that this is an illegal war with no victory. And you know, there are, you know, people being killed only because President Trump wants to have fun. This is what he has said–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –have fun?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: So, we are not- yes, this is what he said, that they are sinking, you know, ships and targeting different places because it is fun. And the Secretary of War has said that there is no- no mercy, and this is actually a war crime. Even even saying that is a war crime. So this is a war- this is a war of choice by President Trump and the United States, and we are going to continue our self defense.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that may be your position, but, sir, this is a war of survival for your government. Minister, don’t you have to negotiate and reach out, either directly or through a third party?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: No, it’s not a war of survival. We have- we are- we are, you know, stable and strong enough. We are only defending our- our people, from the you know, the- this, this act of aggression. And we don’t see any reason why we should talk with Americans, because we were talking with them when they- when they decided to attack us, and that was for the second time. There is no experience- good experience talking with Americans. We were talking. So why they decided to attack us? So what is good if we go back to talk once again?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I want to come back to that in just a moment. You’re referring to the diplomacy with President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his envoy, Steve Witkoff. But just to continue on this, Iran is sending its drones and its missiles into your neighboring countries, American allies throughout the Gulf. Before the war, your government traded with them. You had relations with them. If your government survives this conflict, how do you go back to doing business with countries you’re sending drones into and hitting civilian targets?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, obviously these are the countries who have given their soil to American forces to attack us. So what can we do? We just sit and watch that Americans are- American forces are attacking us from their soil and–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –But your drones are going into civilian areas and hitting plants and hotels and civilians–
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: No, no- no, no- no, no this is not the fact. We are only targeting American assets, American installations, American military bases. Everything belongs to Americans, and this is a fact that they are using their soil, you know, just- there are many, many examples. Just yesterday, they, you know, attacked our islands using HIMARS artillery rockets, which is- which are low range, you know, rockets and they use the territory of UAE to attack us. Some a week ago, three F-15 jet fighters were shot down, apparently, by a friendly fire in Kuwait. But nobody asked what they were doing in Kuwait. They were using Kuwait, and, you know, a space of a neighborly, a friendly country, to attack us. So it is obvious we cannot just, you know, remain, you know, silent on this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, so many of these countries are part of CENTCOM, but- but this is the point is that it’s going to hurt your country in the long term. But when we talk about the Strait of Hormuz, which is such an important transit point for global trade, you have said it is closed to Israel and it’s closed to the United States. The Financial Times is reporting that European diplomats from France and Italy are talking to your government about trying to get safe passage for their ships. Are you open to restarting oil and gas vessels going through there?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, we are open to countries who want to talk to us about the safe passage of their vessels. It depends on our–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are negotiating with France and Italy?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: I cannot mention any country in particular, but we have been approached by a number of countries who wants to have a safe passage for their vessels. And this is up to our military to decide, and they have already decided to let, you know, a group of vessels belongs to different countries to pass in a safe and secure. So we provide them security to pass because we have not closed this strait. They are not coming themselves because of the insecurity which is there, because of the aggression by the U.S.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you again about the negotiations. Iran has declared it has 440 kilos or so of nuclear material. Where is that material now? Who has custody of it?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, we have not declared. This is verified and declared by the agency–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — That’s right.–
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: — this is not a secret. This is not a secret. You know, the agency have said in his many reports the exact amount of our enriched, you know, nuclear material–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Yes. So where is it now? Who has custody of it?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: So, they are, there are under the rubbles. You know, the- our nuclear facilities were attacked, and everything is under the rubbles. Of course, you know there is the possibility to retrieve them, but under the supervision of the agency. If one day we come to the conclusion to do that, it would be under the supervision of the agency. But for the time being, we have no program. We have no plan to recover them from under the rubbles.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Am I understanding you here? Because I know that you said 48-hours before the U.S. strikes happened, you had personally offered to President Trump’s negotiators to take that 440-kilo amount of 60% enriched material and to dilute it. You said Iran was ready to give that material away. This was in the deal that was also presented to Vice President Vance by Oman. Today, is Iran still willing to let go of that enriched uranium?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, that was one of the elements of a deal that we were negotiating with our, you know, American interlocutors. That element dealt with the question of Iran’s 60% enriched material, and I said- I offered actually that we are ready to dilute those enriched material, or down blend them, as they say, into lower percentage. So that was a, you know, a big offer, a big concession in order to prove that Iran has never wanted nuclear weapons and would never want them–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Are you willing to give that up now?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, there is nothing on the table right now. Everything depends on the future. If any time in the future we decide to enter into negotiation with U.S. or other interlocutors, you know, we may decide what to put on the table. For the time being, nothing is- nothing is on the table.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are at least four Americans being held at Evin Prison that we know of, including a journalist, Reza Valizadeh and Kamran Hekmati, a 61 year old man. What is the status of those Americans? Are they safe?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, if they- if the U.S. and Israel do not attack our prisons. I guess they are safe.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Foreign Minister, we are running out of time, and I can see the internet is going in and out here. I just do want to point out you’re speaking to us via Zoom. The Iranian people don’t have open Internet access, but you do. Why?
MINISTER ARAGHCHI: Well, I’m the voice- because I’m the voice of Iranians, and I have to defend their right. So this is why I have access to internet to just, you know, have- have our voice being heard by the international community. But internet is closed because of the security reasons, because we are under the- under attack, we are under aggression, and we have to do everything to protect our people. In any country, there are, you know, urgent measures taken for this, for the sake of war.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Minister, I’m glad the uplink worked to talk to you right now. We thank you for your time this morning, Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.