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以下是美国常驻联合国大使迈克·沃尔兹接受采访的文字实录，该采访于2026年6月21日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们现在邀请到了联合国大使迈克·沃尔兹，他将从纽约参与我们的节目。早上好，父亲节快乐。
美国常驻联合国大使迈克尔·沃尔兹： 嘿，早上好。谢谢，也祝所有优秀的父亲们父亲节快乐。强大的男性造就强大的家庭。谢谢。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 大使先生，正如您刚刚听到的，这场战争不受民众欢迎，但正如您所知，战争的结局至关重要。哥伦比亚广播公司的奥利维亚·加齐斯报道称，特朗普政府的国家安全团队高级成员，包括鲁比奥国务卿，仍然怀疑伊朗是否会遵守该协议的条款。中央情报局局长曾向特朗普提交情报，显示伊朗的承诺存在不一致之处。那么，即便总统自己的团队都不认为这是一场胜利，您要如何向公众推销这项协议呢？
沃尔兹大使： 玛格丽特，我可以回头看看其他民调，结果显示美国民众完全认同特朗普总统的观点，即伊朗绝对不能拥有核武器。当然，我们都希望油价更低，现在油价确实更低了，每加仑不到4美元，还在持续下跌，我们还在为此付出更多努力。油价比拜登政府时期更低。我们还记得几个月前，分析师曾预测油价会涨到每桶150至200美元。但事实并非如此——现在油价已经低于80美元了。当然，所有人都想要更便宜的能源，但特朗普总统正在做到平衡：一方面确保我们都不信任的种族灭绝政权永远无法拥有核武器，而这项工作目前正在进行中，就在此时此刻。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 美国民众同样不希望伊朗拥有核武器，我们的民调也印证了这一点，但他们不相信这项临时协议能够实现这一目标。回到您刚刚提到的伊朗政权，副总统目前正在闭门与议长加利巴夫进行面对面会谈。这位人士在担任伊朗伊斯兰革命卫队空军指挥官期间，负责监督伊朗的导弹项目。有录音显示他曾吹嘘自己在镇压抗议者中扮演的角色，称自己为亲自用木棍殴打抗议者感到自豪。那么，从特朗普总统对抗议者表示“救援在路上”，到现在与殴打抗议者的人士之一坐下来谈判，我们难道不是在为这个政权提供救命稻草吗？
沃尔兹大使： 首先，这是其他任何一届政府都未能实现的进步，那就是开启直接对话。这个种族灭绝政权的任何高级官员都绝非善类，他们肯定通不过联邦调查局的背景调查。没人会指望他们合格。但归根结底，本届政府正在采取务实的态度。这是伊朗政权派出来谈判的代表，我们始终专注于一个核心目标：伊朗永远不能拥有核武器，仅此而已。我们过去看到的是，我们的目标出现了政策偏差。总统的目标非常明确，不仅是美国民众，整个世界都在联合国安理会一项又一项决议中明确了数十年：伊朗不能拥有核武器，我们需要给这项进程一个机会。我们需要给和平一个机会，正如副总统所说，我们或许终于可以翻开中东新篇章。就像特朗普总统在第一任期通过《亚伯拉罕协议》所做的那样——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
沃尔兹大使： ——让我们在第二任期也给这次谈判一个机会。但玛格丽特，我想明确说明，正如鲁比奥国务卿所说，我们清楚我们正在打交道的是什么样的人。我们谴责他们在短短一个周末内就杀害了4万至5万本国公民。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
沃尔兹大使： 他们扣押美国人质。他们从未归还鲍勃·莱文森的遗体，这位前承包商在20年前就被他们扣押了。我们清楚——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 目前有六名美国人被扣押为人质。
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沃尔兹大使： ——但与奥巴马政府的不同之处在于，一切都将围绕核查展开。不搞信任，所有纸面承诺都必须经过全面核查。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
沃尔兹大使： 另外一点，这次谈判有可信的军事力量作为后盾，而往届政府已经放弃了这一点，解除了自身的杠杆作用。我们现在是在伊朗经济崩溃、伊朗军事力量受损的情况下进入谈判的，或许还会辅以一些经过核查的“胡萝卜”——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过——
沃尔兹大使： ——这些奖励措施将得到核查，并且只有在伊朗表现出诚意后才会兑现，这样我们这次才能达成更好的协议。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我知道人质家属们感谢您提到他们。很多人对自己的家人没有被纳入任何善意举措感到失望。目前有六名美国人被扣押，但回到协议本身，副总统提到了一些——
沃尔兹大使： ——玛格丽特，抱歉，抱歉，这是一个非常重要的问题。我想让这些家属知道，他们的亲人没有被遗忘，这位总统在遣返美国人方面的记录，是现代美国历史上任何一位总统都无法比拟的。所以我希望他们能清楚地听到这一点。这位总统始终聚焦核心议题。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过——
沃尔兹大使： 有时这些谈判是在公众视线之外进行的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 参议员汤姆·科顿称，这将允许伊朗按照战前产量水平出售石油。每天将获得1.5亿至2亿美元收入，每月高达60亿美元。您认为这些家伙会把这笔钱花在什么地方？
沃尔兹大使： 首先，这笔钱不会进入所谓的“秘密基金”。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 这是石油销售收入。
沃尔兹大使： 这笔钱将流向我们仍可监控的地方。如果没有流向协议约定的用途，我们完全可以再次切断他们的收入来源。总统可以重新实施封锁。他今天早上刚刚表示，如果伊朗不控制真主党停止袭击以色列，那将构成违约，他将再次采取行动。重申一下，关键一点在于我们拥有军事选项，所有选项都摆在桌面上。拜登、奥巴马，历届前任政府都无法像特朗普总统这样，以可信的方式拥有这些选项。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但总统本人表示，他希望避免经济灾难，并称我们距离燃料短缺只有几周时间，所以他似乎在说，如果冲突代价高昂，他不一定会选择重回冲突。那么，可信的武力使用似乎存在疑问。
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沃尔兹大使： 但不，玛格丽特，这里面有一些细节需要厘清。美国目前的石油产量比以往任何时候都高。委内瑞拉现在也恢复了石油生产。南美洲的圭亚那等国家有了全新的石油储量，我们现在正在帮助他们开发。所以我们实际上正在让更多石油和天然气进入市场，但我们的一些盟友确实受到了影响，尤其是亚洲国家，总统在谈判中已经考虑到了这一点。但他也看到，在联合国层面，整个世界都在谴责这个政权，创纪录的143个国家谴责他们非法开采海峡资源——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
沃尔兹大使： ——以及他们企图挟持世界经济。所以他们在外交上陷入孤立，经济濒临崩溃，军事——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过——
沃尔兹大使： ——也遭受重创，而且抛开头条新闻和一些预测不谈，我们正是以实力地位进入这些谈判的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 副总统今天早上谈到了关系缓和，他表示达成一致的部分细节并未写入协议。他提到了“君子协定”。一名政府官员也向记者透露了这一说法。以下是总统的表态。
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唐纳德·特朗普总统： 如果他们不遵守协议，或者有些内容甚至没有在协议中提及，这只是一份谅解备忘录，但我们对某些事项达成了口头共识，并未写入纸面。
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 是否存在未公开的保密附件或部分内容，这些内容会提交给国会吗？
沃尔兹大使： 玛格丽特，据我所知没有。我可以回到您之前提到的——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 什么是“君子协定”？
沃尔兹大使： ——关于纸面协议和正在讨论的内容。这是——这是一场持续的谈判，我们之前从未与伊朗进行过直接谈判。我只想说，对于您在开场中提到的那些疑虑，正是这个团队成功将所有人质从加沙隧道中解救出来，此前没人认为这能够做到。他们促成了停火，尽管并不完美，但此前没人认为能够实现，这也解决了马杜罗政权的问题，马杜罗现在就被关押在纽约附近，整个行动没有造成任何人员伤亡，委内瑞拉现在也走上了更好的发展道路。所以，我不会怀疑这位总统和他的团队，当然，谈判道路上肯定会遇到一些波折。没有任何一届政府能够以实力地位走到这一步——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
沃尔兹大使： ——所以您知道我完全有信心我们能够达成协议，正如副总统所说，或许，或许给这次谈判一个机会，我们就能实现中东地区的转型。哪怕就在一年前，没人会想到，由于《亚伯拉罕协议》的后续发展，以色列和阿联酋会在军事上携手互助——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 嗯，他们多少是被迫的。不过——
沃尔兹大使： ——我们现在正处于技术谈判的第一天，而且——玛格丽特，顺便说一句，确实有来自能源部的技术专家现在正坐下来，深入探讨铀的稀释、高浓缩铀的转移以及具体的技术操作细节。所以我们也需要给这个进程一个机会。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 很高兴听到美国本国的核专家已经到场。白宫此前并未透露这一点。您还能透露其他信息吗？谁将进行为期60天的谈判？
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沃尔兹大使： 再次说明，这些都是我们能源部的专家，拥有物理学博士学位，比我聪明得多的专家，他们正在深入研究这些细节，而大局在于总统的核心目标：伊朗不能拥有核项目，而伊朗的核项目目前已经被摧毁，我们将——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过——
沃尔兹大使： ——确保它被永久摧毁，而不像过去那样，核项目一直在推进，我们基本上是在贿赂他们不要继续发展。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过——
沃尔兹大使： 这完全是不同的谈判态势。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过，此前的核库存已经根据《联合全面行动计划》被运往俄罗斯，当时也设置了限制。我们想看看美国谈判代表这次究竟能争取到什么样的限制措施，我们将关注此次外交进程。非常感谢您，沃尔兹大使。
Transcript: U.N. Ambassador Mike Waltz on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” June 21, 2026
2026-06-21T11:48:19-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Mike Waltz, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on June 21, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by UN Ambassador Mike Waltz, who joins us from New York. Good morning, and happy Father’s Day.
UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS MICHAEL WALTZ: Hey, good morning. Thank you, and happy Father’s Day to all the great fathers out there. Strong men make strong families. Thanks
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Ambassador, the war is unpopular, as you just heard, but how it ends matters as you know. CBS’s Olivia Gazis is reporting that senior members of Trump’s national security team, including Secretary Rubio, remain doubtful Iran will comply with this deal’s terms. The CIA director presented Trump with intelligence indicating inconsistencies with Iran’s commitments. So, if even the president’s own team doubts this is a win. How do you sell this to the public?
AMB. WALTZ: Well, Margaret, I’ll go back to other polling that shows that the American people absolutely agree with President Trump that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. Of course, we all want lower gas prices, they are lower, below $4 and falling with more work to do. They’re cheaper than under the Biden administration. We’ll remember just a few months ago when analysts were saying oil would be upwards of $150 to $200 dollars a barrel. And it is not- it’s now under $80. Of course, everyone wants cheaper energy, but what President Trump is doing is striking that balance with also ensuring that a genocidal regime that none of us trust can never have a nuclear weapon, and that process is underway right now as we speak.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the American people also don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we see that in our polling, but they’re unconvinced that this interim agreement achieves that. But, to the point you were just making about the regime, the Vice President is sitting right now behind closed doors, face to face with Speaker Ghalibaf. This is a man who oversaw the missile program in Iran when he was a commander in the IRGC Air Force. He has bragged, there are recordings of him doing so, about his own role in cracking down on protesters, describing how proud he was about having personally beaten them with wooden sticks. So, we went from President Trump telling protesters that help is on the way to now sitting across negotiating with one of the men who beat them. Aren’t we offering the regime a lifeline?
AMB. WALTZ: Well, number one, this is a step forward that no other administration has ever been able to do, and that’s have direct talks. None of these senior members of this genocidal regime are good guys by any means, they certainly wouldn’t pass an FBI background check. No one expects that. But, at the end of the day, the administration, our administration, is taking a pragmatic approach. This is who the regime has put forward to deal with, and they remain, and we remain focused on the goal of no nuclear weapons period. And what we’ve seen in the past is policy drift in terms of what our aims are. The President is laser focused, the American people, and not just the American people, the entire world, with UN Security Council resolution, after UN Security Council resolution for decades saying Iran can’t have a nuke, and we need to give this process a chance. We need to give peace a chance, and as the Vice President has said, perhaps we can finally turn the page to a new Middle East. Like President Trump did with the Abraham Accords his first term–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
AMB. WALTZ: –let’s give this a chance his second term. But, Margaret, I want to be very clear, as Secretary Rubio said, we know the type of people that we’re dealing with. We have condemned them for killing 40 to 50 thousand of their own citizens in just a weekend.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
AMB. WALTZ: They hold Americans hostage. They’ve never returned the remains of Bob Levinson, a former contractor from 20 years ago. We know who–
MARGARET BRENNAN: We have six Americans hostage right now.
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AMB. WALTZ: –the difference with- but the difference with the Obama administration is going to be all about verification. No trust, and all verify whatever they put down on paper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
AMB. WALTZ: And we know- and the other piece, too, is it’s backed by credible military force that the previous administrations took off the table, removed their leverage. We are going in with a devastated Iranian economy, a devastated Iranian military, and perhaps with some carrots–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
AMB. WALTZ: –that will be verified and pay for perf- performance that we’ll see a better deal this time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I know the families of hostages appreciate you mentioning them. Many were disappointed that their families were not included in any kind of goodwill gesture. There are six Americans being held, but back to the deal, the Vice President indicated some of the–
AMB. WALTZ: –Margaret, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, that’s a very important point. And I want those families to know their loved ones are not forgotten, and this president’s record in getting Americans home is unparalleled from any president in modern American history. So, I just want them to hear that loud and clear. This president has his eye on the ball.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
AMB. WALTZ: Sometimes these talks handle- are handled out of the public eye.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Tom Cotton said this will allow Iran to sell its oil based on pre-war production levels. It will get between $150 and $200 million every single day, up to $6 billion per month. What do you think these guys are going to spend that money on?
AMB. WALTZ: Well, first, it’s that money is not going into some kind of slush fund.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That’s oil revenue.
AMB. WALTZ: It is going to places that we can still- we can still monitor. If it’s not going to the places that were agreed upon, we can absolutely turn it back off. The President can put the blockade back in. He just said this morning, if Iran doesn’t get Hezbollah under control to stop attacking Israel, that will be a violation, and he will go back to, again, the key point here is we have that military option, and all options on the table. Biden, Obama, none of the predecessors have that in a very credible way like President Trump does.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But the President himself says he wants to avert economic disaster, and that we’re weeks away from a fuel shortage, so he seems to be saying that he wouldn’t necessarily want to return to conflict if that’s the cost of it. So, the credible use of force seems in question.
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AMB. WALTZ: But no, but there’s some nuance there, Margaret, that in the United States we are producing more than we ever have. Venezuela is now producing. Countries like Guyana in South America have whole new finds that we’re now helping. So, we’re actually getting more oil and gas on the market, but some of our allies absolutely have been affected, particularly in Asia, and the president has that in mind as he’s negotiating. But he also has seen in the UN, for example, the entire world condemning this regime, a UN record 143 countries for its illegal mining of the straits–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
AMB. WALTZ: –and for its attempt to hold the world economy hostage. So they’re diplomatically isolated, they’re economically devastated, they’re militarily–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
AMB. WALTZ: –devastated, and despite what you read in the headlines, or some prognosticating, we are going into these negotiations from a position of strength.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the Vice President described rapprochement this morning, and he indicated that some of the details of what was agreed to are not written down. He referred to a gentleman’s agreement. That phrase was also briefed to reporters by an administration official. And here is what the president said.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If they don’t honor the agreement, or some things aren’t even mentioned in the agreement, it’s a memorandum of understanding, but we have an understanding of certain things without writing it.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Are there classified annexes or portions of this that have not been made public, and will they be shared with Congress?
AMB. WALTZ: Margaret, not, not to my knowledge. And I’ll just go back to your point on–
MARGARET BRENNAN: What’s the Gentleman’s Agreement?
AMB. WALTZ: –what’s on paper, and what’s being discussed. This is- this is an ongoing negotiation that we’ve never before had directly with the Iranians. And I’ll just say this from a lot of, from a lot of the doubts that you played in your opening, this is the same team that got all of the hostages out of the tunnels of Gaza, that nobody said could be done. They got a cease fire in place, not perfect, that no one could- said could be done, that took care of the Maduro regime, he’s in jail right down the street here in New York with- with no casualties, and Venezuela now on a better track. So, I wouldn’t doubt this president or this team, and there’s going to be some bumps in the road for sure. No administration has been able to get this far from a position of strength–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
AMB. WALTZ: –and so you know I have full confidence that we’ll get to a deal, and as the Vice President said, perhaps, perhaps give this a chance, and we can have a transformed Middle East. No one would have thought, even a year ago, that you’d have Israel and the UAE working together militarily to defend each other as a result of the next evolution of the Abraham Accords–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, they were kind of forced to. But also–
AMB. WALTZ: –we’re in day one of the technical talks, and- and Margaret, by the way, there are- there are technical experts from the Department of Energy that are sitting down right now to get to the bottom of the down blending, the moving of the uranium, the highly enriched uranium, and how that will technically be done. So we have to give that process a chance as well.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that’s good to hear that the US has its own nuclear experts on site. The White House hadn’t said that. Is there anything else you can tell us? Who’s going to keep talking for 60 days?
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AMB. WALTZ: Well, again, these are- these are our Department of Energy experts, our PhDs in physics, a lot smarter than- that I am, that are getting into those nitty gritty details, and- but the big picture is the president’s focus on Iran not having a nuclear program, and right now it’s destroyed, and if they- and we’re going to keep it destroyed–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
AMB. WALTZ: –and have it permanently destroyed, as opposed to the past, where it was ongoing, and we were basically bribing them to not continue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
AMB. WALTZ: It’s a totally different negotiation dynamic.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that stockpile was shipped to Russia and the JCPOA. There were limits. We want to see what limits these US negotiators are actually able to secure, and we’ll watch that diplomacy. Thank you very much, Ambassador Waltz.