采访实录：美国常驻联合国大使迈克·沃尔茨做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目 2026年4月19日
2026-04-19T12:43:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是美国常驻联合国大使迈克·沃尔茨于2026年4月19日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中接受采访的实录。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 伊姆蒂亚兹·泰阿布在迪拜报道。现在我们有请美国常驻联合国大使迈克·沃尔茨，他今天上午从纽约加入我们的节目。大使，欢迎回到《直面国家》。
大使迈克·沃尔茨： 谢谢，很高兴来到这里。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 总统称伊朗破坏了停火协议，但他仍在向他们提供一项协议。这是一份条款展示，还是我们应该期待真正的长期谈判？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，我认为这将延续副总统一周前提出的条款。我们不妨退一步看：特朗普总统、美国海军正在管控霍尔木兹海峡的通航情况。我们与伊朗政权的接触级别达到了历史最高，由副总统牵头。我们与以色列和黎巴嫩之间正在进行历史性的停火谈判。市场有所上涨，石油价格相对稳定，伊朗经济遭受重创，而且正如我在联合国这里可以告诉大家的，他们在外交上比以往任何时候都更加孤立。所以伊朗已经没有筹码了，我们有信心他们会坐到谈判桌前，最终放弃他们对拥有核武器的执念。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 伊朗方面尚未宣布将派遣代表团前往伊斯兰堡。我知道整个上午都在争论副总统是否会亲自带队。正如你刚刚听到的，哥伦比亚广播公司报道称他会亲自前往，但他亲自到场为何如此重要？是不是因为伊朗拒绝派出拥有决策权的代表，除非他在场？
迈克·沃尔茨： 你刚才也提到了，伊朗方面现在一片混乱。过去48小时里，他们的外交部长宣布将停止袭击航运，但伊斯兰革命卫队却说会继续袭击，而且正如特朗普总统指出的那样，他们确实发动了袭击，这是赤裸裸的破坏行为。所以伊朗方面有点混乱。这完全是因为我们对其领导层实施了毁灭性打击。但我认为副总统亲自牵头，体现了美国方面的重视程度，我们是认真的。我个人要感谢上帝，让我们能够在为时已晚之前遏制住这个问题。我们不会等到美国别无选择——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 嗯——
迈克·沃尔茨： 等到伊朗实现核突破，进而引发整个中东地区的核扩散。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过，让我接着你刚才的话继续问，这很重要，伊朗方面确实一片混乱。那你怎么知道你是在和正确的人谈判？据战争研究所报道，伊斯兰革命卫队指挥官瓦希迪将军在过去48小时内已经掌控了谈判和军方的控制权。这是不是说外交部长阿拉奇奇不是合适的谈判对手？到底谁在掌权？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，你看——再说一遍，伊朗政权已经被我们搞得一团糟，但与此同时，我们绝不会采取信任的态度。任何由此达成的协议都必须绝对可核查、可执行。我可以告诉大家，从我在联合国的岗位上看，我们一直在与国际原子能机构（IAEA）进行广泛磋商，该机构显然将在确保伊朗履行任何签署的协议方面发挥关键作用。在这个问题上没有信任可言。美国方面提出的方案中包含可核查、可执行的条款，以确保他们永远不会拥有核武器。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，这在执行方面很重要。如果真的达成谈判协议，联合国核监督机构肯定会深入参与相关细节，比如对浓缩铀进行封存等。这是否意味着你会将协议提交联合国批准？会以这样的形式正式敲定吗？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，我可以告诉你，多年来有数十项决议，不仅仅是美国，而是整个世界都明确表示，伊朗不得拥有核武器。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
迈克·沃尔茨： 我们现在已经启动了全球制裁的“快速恢复”条款，伊朗不得进行浓缩铀活动。任何想要修改这些决议的举措都需要重新提交安理会审议，但我们先别操之过急。先看看伊朗是否真的会接受美国提出的一项非常合理的方案——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错——
迈克·沃尔茨： 这个方案既能给他们一条退路，也能确保该地区、美国、欧洲乃至全世界永远不会受到一个手握核按钮的政权的威胁。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，那回到谁在掌权这个问题上。特朗普总统今天上午在社交媒体上发文称，他希望伊朗接受这项协议。但周五下午，他在接受我的同事魏佳江采访时，给出了非常乐观的预测。他援引伊朗的话称，伊朗“同意了所有条款”，包括永远停止浓缩铀活动，以及停止支持真主党等所有代理组织。他听起来好像一切都已经敲定了。那到底是怎么回事？是伊朗的部分政府已经达成了协议，但现在掌权的人变了，还是他只是在猜测他希望成真的事情？
迈克·沃尔茨： 玛格丽特，任何与伊朗人打过交道的人都会告诉你，他们往往是前进两步，后退三步。他们极其狡猾，不可信任。他们多年来一直在作弊，这也是特朗普总统退出伊核协议的原因之一。他们隐瞒核设施，隐瞒研发能力，这也是为什么他去年做出了大胆的决定——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错——
迈克·沃尔茨： 通过“午夜铁锤”行动，一劳永逸地解决这个问题。再说一遍，我们必须认清，我们不会坐以待毙，不会选择信任。我们正在削弱他们的能力。他们的军队已经分崩离析，导弹项目也濒临崩溃。现在，希望通过外交途径，他们能选择一条轻松的道路，而不是强硬路线，最终放弃这个非法的野心。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 美国国防情报局本周向国会通报称，伊朗仍拥有数千枚导弹和可威胁美国的单程攻击无人机。所以在某些方面，威胁仍然存在。凯恩将军周四表示，美国将追查悬挂伊朗国旗的船只，以及任何提供支持的船只，包括运送伊朗石油的船只。中国是伊朗石油的最大买家。你们会开始登船检查前往中国的船只吗？这些行动何时开始？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，我不会透露行动时间表，但我可以告诉你，所有选项都摆在桌面上。总统已经做好了升级或降级局势的准备，他说到做到。他说过，任何从海峡中获益的行为都不允许伊朗得逞。除此之外，贝森特部长宣布了“经济暴怒行动”，我们准备对参与非法伊朗石油美元交易的银行实施次级制裁。所以我们正在真正地对伊朗经济的各个方面施加最大压力，总有一天他们会意识到该采取理智和务实的态度，说够了，放弃对核武器的执念吧。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 这是你们采取军事行动之前的第一步吗？因为特朗普总统曾谈到要轰炸发电厂。制裁和扣押船只——
迈克·沃尔茨： 我们已经采取了——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是第一步？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，我们已经采取了行动，再说一遍，我不会公开行动的先后顺序，但封锁海峡是一个巨大的举措，而且效果非常显著，已有数十艘船只调头返航。其他已经在海上的船只，我们的太平洋司令部也准备好进行拦截。我们正在追查银行，追查这个影子船队，其中一艘船队由哈梅内伊的一名亲属运营。所以我们正在采取一系列举措。我们的代理司法部长也明确表示，他将开始积极起诉，我们的威胁金融单元正在——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错——
迈克·沃尔茨： 追查他们的非法资金。所以这是一场全政府参与的全面施压行动。我希望我们不必再诉诸军事选项，但特朗普总统已经说得很清楚了。顺便说一句，由伊斯兰革命卫队运营的桥梁、发电厂，而伊斯兰革命卫队掌控着整个军队，这些都是绝对合法的军事目标，不仅现在如此，历史上也是如此。那种认为这是战争罪的说法是错误的、虚假的、荒谬的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好吧，我们会继续关注这一点，看看事态发展。但德国和其他盟友表示，他们将帮助美国在霍尔木兹海峡进行导航，最终在冲突结束后，但他们说需要掩护。他们需要联合国的国际授权。俄罗斯和中国会同意吗？你们会在联合国推动此事吗？
迈克·沃尔茨： 嗯，正如我们的海湾阿拉伯盟友在联合国明确表示的那样，我想如果在冲突结束后能得到支持当然很好，但他们现在就需要帮助，随时可以采取行动，特别是巴林、阿联酋、卡塔尔、科威特、沙特阿拉伯。我们在联合国推动了一项历史性决议，有135个国家——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错——
迈克·沃尔茨： 谴责伊朗袭击民用基础设施、度假村、民用机场、港口和航运设施。这确实意义重大。令人失望的是，俄罗斯和中国选择站在伊朗一边，而不是我们的海湾阿拉伯盟友——
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 而且你们还解除了对俄罗斯的制裁。
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迈克·沃尔茨： 和航行自由，但你会看到——是的，未来一周还会有持续的行动。整个世界都团结一致，认为一个国家不能封锁国际水道，不能因为与另一个国家的冲突就挟持全球经济。你在直布罗陀海峡、白令海峡、马六甲海峡或任何其他国际水道都看不到这种情况。从法律、外交和经济角度来看，伊朗完全是错的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 让我问问黎巴嫩的情况。特朗普总统周五在社交媒体上发文称，“以色列不会再轰炸黎巴嫩。美国禁止他们这么做。够了。”美国是如何禁止盟友以色列在黎巴嫩开展轰炸行动的？美国正在采取哪些措施来收缴真主党的武器，比如你们如何帮助黎巴嫩军队做到这一点？
迈克·沃尔茨： 首先回答你最后一个问题，美国已经向黎巴嫩武装部队提供了超过2.5亿美元的援助。这对黎巴嫩来说是一个巨大的历史性机遇，黎巴嫩政府由前将军、黎巴嫩武装部队总司令奥恩总统领导，他们终于可以收回国家主权了。现在伊朗处境艰难，军事上遭受重创，叙利亚——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
迈克·沃尔茨： 局势也大为好转，随着阿萨德政权倒台，我们在那里开展了卓有成效的外交活动。从“寻呼机行动”到现在，真主党的处境从未如此糟糕过。这是一个真正的关键时刻，我很荣幸能够出席——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
迈克·沃尔茨： 以色列与黎巴嫩的首次会谈，现代历史上的首次——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你们要如何禁止以色列轰炸？
迈克·沃尔茨： 现代历史上的首次。所以，我们——听着，玛格丽特，我们在多个领域推进外交进程——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 嗯哼。
迈克·沃尔茨： 当然，这背后有军事实力作为支撑——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。
迈克·沃尔茨： 但我们必须花点时间认清当前局势的重要性。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 沃尔茨大使，我们将密切关注未来几天的事态发展。感谢你抽出时间。今天上午的《直面国家》节目稍后马上回来。请继续收看。
Transcript: U.N. Ambassador Mike Waltz on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” April 19, 2026
2026-04-19T12:43:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Mike Waltz, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on April 19, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Imtiaz Tyab reporting from Dubai. We turn now to the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Mike Waltz, who joins us this morning from New York. Welcome back to Face The Nation, ambassador.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Thank you, good to be with you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the President said Iran broke the ceasefire, but he is still offering them a deal. Is this a presentation of terms, or should we expect an actual, prolonged negotiation?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, I think this will be a continuation of the terms that the vice president offered a week ago. And look, we have to take a step back here in that – President Trump, the US Navy is controlling what is coming out of the straits. We’ve had the highest level engagement in the history of the Iranian regime, with the vice president leading. We have historic ceasefire talks going on between the Israelis and the Lebanese. The markets are up. Oil prices are relatively stable. The Iranian economy is devastated, and they’ve never been, I can tell you here at the United Nations, they’ve never been more diplomatically isolated. So Iran does not have the cards, and we are confident they will come to the table and finally give up their obsession with having a nuclear weapon.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Iran has not yet announced that it’s sending a delegation to Islamabad. I know there’s this back and forth all morning long about whether the vice president would be leading it or not. CBS, as you just heard, is reporting he will be but why is it important that he be there in person? Is it because Iran has refused to send anyone with decision making authority, unless he is there?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, you’ve seen the chaos, I mean that you just pointed to on the Iranian side. The last 48 hours, you have their foreign minister announcing that they’re going to stop attacking shipping. Then you have the IRGC saying that they will and then doing so, as President Trump pointed out, an absolute violation. So the Iranian side is in a bit of chaos. This is absolutely due to the devastating strikes on their leadership. But I think the vice president leading shows the level of engagement from the US side that we are absolutely serious. And I for one, thank God for future generations that we are arresting a problem before it’s too late. We’re not waiting until the US has no options —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well —
MIKE WALTZ: and Iran has some kind of breakout, which would lead to a nuclear breakout all over the Middle East.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me follow up on what you just said, though, because that’s important, the Iranian side is in chaos. So how do you know you’re negotiating with the right person? It’s been reported, The Institute for the Study of War says that the IRGC Commander General the Vahidi has secured control over the negotiations and the military within the past 48 hours. Does that mean Foreign Minister Araghchi is not the person to be sitting across the table from? Who’s in charge?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, look – again the Iranian regime, we’ve put them in chaos, but at the same time, we are never going to take an approach of trust. Any deal that comes out of this will have to absolutely be verifiable and be enforceable. I can tell you, from sitting in my seat at the UN we’ve been in extensive discussions with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the IAEA, which would have ostensibly a key role in ensuring Iran lives up to any deal that it signs to, this – signs up to, there is no trust on this side. There is verified and enforceable provisions that are that are on the table from the US to ensure they never have a nuke.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, that’s important in terms of enforcement. Does that mean if you actually get to a negotiated deal, and the UN’s nuclear watchdog would be very much in those details of going in and perhaps securing that enriched uranium. Does this mean you’re going to put a deal for approval before the United Nations? Is it going to be codified like that?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, I’ll tell you, there are dozens and dozens of resolutions over the years, not just the United States, the entire world, saying Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
MIKE WALTZ: We had snap back provisions that are in place now for global sanctions and that Iran cannot enrich so anything that would would change those resolutions would then need to come back before but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Let’s see if the Iranians actually sign up to a very reasonable offer that is sitting on the table from the United States —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah —
MIKE WALTZ: which is an off ramp from them, and also will ensure the region, the United States, Europe and the world, is never threatened by a regime with its hand on a nuclear button.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so, but back to the point of who’s in charge. President Trump says he hopes they take the deal, that was the post this morning. But on Friday afternoon, he spoke to my colleague, Weijia Jiang, and he gave us an incredibly optimistic read. He said Iran had quote, agreed to everything, including to stop enriching uranium forever and to stop backs – backing all proxy groups like Hezbollah. He made it sound like it’s all been sorted out. So which is it? Was there an agreement with certain parts of the Iranian government, but now there are others in charge, or was he just, you know, I don’t know, speculating about something he hopes comes true?
MIKE WALTZ: Margaret, anybody who has dealt with the Iranians will tell you it is often two steps forward, three steps back. They’re incredibly slippery. They can’t be trusted. They cheated over the years, which is one of the reasons that President Trump withdrew us from the JCPOA. They were hiding sites. They were hiding capabilities, and this is why he made the bold decision —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yep —
MIKE WALTZ: last year in operation midnight hammer, to just end it once and for all. And again, we have to take the perspective that we’re not waiting. We’re not trusting. We are reducing their capabilities. Their military is in shambles. Their missile program is in shambles, and now, hopefully diplomatically, they will do it the easy way, rather than the hard way, of finally giving up on this illegal ambition.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Defense Intelligence Agency told Congress this past week, Iran has thousands of missiles and one way attack drones that can still threaten the United States. So there’s still a threat in certain ways. General Caine said on Thursday, the US is going to pursue Iranian flagged vessels or any vessel providing support, including those carrying Iranian oil. Beijing is the top customer. Are you going to start boarding vessels headed to to China? When do these operations begin?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, I’m not going to give – get into operational timelines, but I’ll tell you all options are on the table. The President is prepared to escalate, to de-escalate, he means it. When he said nothing that benefits Iran is coming out of the strait. And then on top of that, Secretary Bessent announced operation economic fury, where we are prepared to put secondary sanctions on banks who are transacting in illegal Iranian oil dollars. So we are truly putting maximum pressure on every aspect of the Iranian economy, and at some point they are going to see some level of common sense and pragmatism and say enough is enough with this nuclear obsession.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that the first step before you go back to combat? Because President Trump was talking about bombing power plants. Are the sanctions and the seizing of vessels —
MIKE WALTZ: Well, we’ve taken —
MARGARET BRENNAN: step one?
Mike Waltz: Well we’ve taken, you know, again, I’m not going to publicly sequence the steps, but the blockade was, was a tremendous step and has been tremendously effective, with dozens of ships turned around. Others that are already out on the water, our Pacific Command is prepared to interdict. We’re going after the banks. We’re going after this shadow fleet, one of which was run by a relative of Khamenei. So we are taking a number of steps. We’re even looking – our acting attorney general has made it very clear, he is going to start aggressively prosecuting, our threat finance unit is going —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah —
MIKE WALTZ: after their illegal dollars. So this is a whole of government, full on press. I hope we don’t have to go back to a military option but President Trump’s made it very clear. And by the way, bridges, power plants that are run by the IRGC, which runs the entire military, are absolute legitimate military targets, not only now, but have been historically. That is a false, fake and ridiculous notion that this is some type of war crime.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we’ll talk about that, and we’ll see if that happens. But Germany and other allies have said they will help the United States with that navigation through the Strait of Hormuz, eventually, once combat ends, but they said they need cover. They need an international mandate at the United Nations. Will Russia and China get on board? Are you trying to do that at the UN?
MIKE WALTZ: Well, as our Gulf Arab allies made it very clear at the UN, I guess that would be nice to have after the conflict, but they need help and are ready to take action now, particularly Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, we had a historic resolution to the UN with 135 —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah —
MIKE WALTZ: nations condemning Iran for its attacks on civilian infrastructure, on resorts, civilian airports, ports, shipping. That was truly tremendous. It’s disappointing the Russians and Chinese chose to side with Iran rather than our Gulf Arab allies —
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And you still lifted sanctions on Russia.
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MIKE WALTZ: and freedom of navigation, but you’re going to see – yeah, you’re going to see continued action this coming week. The entire world is united that you – that a country cannot hold an international waterway and cannot hold the world’s economies hostage because it has a conflict with another country. You don’t see that in the Straits of Gibraltar, the Bering Strait, the Straits of Malacca, or any other international waterway. Iran is absolutely in the wrong here from a legal, diplomatic and economic standpoint.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about Lebanon. President Trump posted Friday that quote, Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are prohibited from doing so by the USA. Enough is enough. How is the US prohibiting ally Israel from bombing in Lebanon? And what is the United States doing to confiscate weapons from Hezbollah like, how are you helping the Lebanese military do that?
MIKE WALTZ: Well to answer your last question, first, the US contributed over $250 million to the Lebanese Armed Forces. This is a tremendous historic opportunity for Lebanon, the Lebanese government led by President Aoun, a former general, the head of the Lebanese Armed Forces, to take their country back. Finally, with Iran on its back foot and militarily devastated, with Syria —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yep.
MIKE WALTZ: in a much better place, with the fall of the Assad regime and the effective diplomacy that we’ve had there, and from the pager and beeper operation to now, Hezbollah has never been in a worse place. This is a true moment, and it was a real honor for me to be at the opening of the —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
MIKE WALTZ: first Israel – Israel Lebanon talks, first ever —
MARGARET BRENNAN: How are you going to prohibit Israel from bombing?
MIKE WALTZ: in modern history. So, we have – look, but Maragaret, we have diplomacy on the march in a number of places —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Uh-huh.
MIKE WALTZ: Backed, of course, by military strength —
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
MIKE WALTZ: but we have to take a moment to understand the magnitude of what’s going on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ambassador Waltz, we will be watching to see what happens in the coming days. Thank you for your time. This morning, Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.
