作者：亚伦·布莱克
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2026年3月11日，美国东部时间下午6:34
乔·罗根在6月7日新泽西州纽瓦克保诚中心举行的UFC 316赛事中观赛。
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如果说有一个人物最能体现唐纳德·特朗普总统在2024年拼凑获胜联盟的能力，那可能就是乔·罗根——这位有影响力的播客主持人在选举前夕采访特朗普后对其表示支持，引发了轩然大波。
（相反，大量报道都在讨论卡玛拉·哈里斯竞选团队为何没有安排她参加罗根的播客，以及这可能对她的总统竞选造成的不利影响。）
16个月后的今天，罗根却凸显了特朗普维系这一联盟的困境。
自2025年年中以来，罗根在几个重大问题上与特朗普产生了分歧。民调显示，他关注的这些问题恰好是特朗普最大的政治软肋——包括与伊朗的战争、杰弗里·爱泼斯坦案件以及移民执法问题。
伊朗
这一重大新议题是与伊朗的战争。罗根周二表示，特朗普对伊朗的持续军事打击违背了他对选民的承诺。
“但根据他竞选时的主张，这似乎太荒谬了，”罗根说，“我是说，这就是为什么很多人感到被背叛，对吧？他竞选时承诺不再发动战争，特别是这些愚蠢无意义的战争，但现在我们却卷入了一场连明确缘由都无法说清的战争。”
早在2025年1月尼古拉斯·马杜罗被驱逐前，罗根就对特朗普针对委内瑞拉的计划持怀疑态度。但他表示那次行动至少“干净利落”。推翻马杜罗的军事行动仅持续了几个小时，而与伊朗的战争已持续近两周，且看不到明确结束迹象。
“这在我看来完全没有意义——除非我们是在为他人利益行动，尤其是以色列的利益，”罗根补充道，“这在我看来完全说不通。”
几乎所有民调都显示，与伊朗的战争不受欢迎，多数民众反对，独立选民反对的比例约为2:1。事实上，这可能是很长一段时间以来最不受欢迎的新军事冲突。
乔·罗根在唐纳德·特朗普总统宣誓就任美国第47任总统后接受祝福。
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爱泼斯坦案件
数月来，罗根一直对特朗普政府处理爱泼斯坦案件的方式表示怀疑。
与伊朗问题类似，他将此事视为对特朗普支持者的背叛，甚至暗示正是因为支持者相信特朗普如果当选会公开爱泼斯坦相关材料，才支持了他。
“有很多事情，你知道，当我们认为特朗普会进来解决很多问题。我们要‘ draining the swamp（清除腐败）’，我们要弄清楚所有事情，”罗根在去年7月说道，“而当你有一个大家一直谈论的核心原则，然后他们却试图在这一点上对你进行‘煤气灯操纵’（心理暗示）？”
上个月，他称联邦调查局声称没有证据表明爱泼斯坦有客户“是我这辈子听过的最离谱的‘煤气灯操纵’言论”。
两天后的2月12日，他抨击司法部奇怪且前后矛盾的信息删改做法。
“这是什么？这太糟糕了。这对政府没有任何好处，”罗根说，“这看起来他妈的糟透了。太糟糕了。”
罗根特别批评特朗普将此事称为“骗局”，甚至暗示特朗普可能知道爱泼斯坦的所作所为。
“当特朗普说这一切都不真实、都是骗局时，这对他来说看起来很糟糕。这不是骗局，”罗根补充道，“你不知道吗？如果你愿意善意解读，也许他不知道。但这绝对不是骗局。”
1月份的一项CNN民调显示，只有6%的美国人对联邦政府迄今为止公布的爱泼斯坦案件相关文件感到满意。
上月更近期的路透社-益普索民调显示，65%的美国人认为联邦政府“可能”或“肯定”在隐瞒关于爱泼斯坦死亡（被裁定为自杀）的信息，75%的人认为政府“可能”或“肯定”在隐瞒其所谓客户的信息。
移民政策
罗根还发表了越来越多批评特朗普移民打击政策的言论。
这一问题在去年4月正式爆发，当时他称特朗普政府将无证移民送往萨尔瓦多一家残酷监狱的做法“令人发指”。
到7月，他将政府针对无犯罪记录移民的行动称为“疯狂”。
“不是贩毒集团成员、不是帮派成员、不是毒贩，就只是在建筑工地出现的建筑工人，然后被突袭，”罗根说，“还有园丁。真的吗？”
当月晚些时候，罗根谴责美国公民被卷入突袭行动，以及特朗普试图驱逐具有合法身份的亲巴勒斯坦活动人士。
“很多完全无辜的人会被牵连进来。他们已经被牵连了，”罗根说，“你知道，他们已经被这样做了。”
10月中旬，他表示人们有理由担忧近年来失控的边境越境问题。但他补充道：“我认为军队上街是一个危险的先例。”
他还批评政府“将父母从社区中拆散”，并补充道：“我从未想过会在电视上经常看到这种场景。”
“我真以为他们只会打击罪犯，”他说。
罗根还批评政府在1月份明尼阿波利斯市造成了蕾妮·古德和亚历克斯·普雷蒂的死亡事件。
“在我看来这一切都错得离谱，”他谈到古德之死时说，“在我看来这太可怕了。”
他甚至提及盖世太保（纳粹德国秘密警察）。
“然后我也能理解一些人的观点，‘是啊，但你不希望武装人员在街头随意抓捕人，其中很多人实际上是美国公民’，”他说，“他们只是没带证件而已。我们真的要变成盖世太保吗？‘你的证件呢？’我们已经沦落到这个地步了吗？”
特朗普在移民问题上的支持率从一年前的正10个百分点跌至如今的负10个百分点——很大程度上是因为美国民众也认为他的政府执法行动过于激进。
特别是古德和普雷蒂的死亡事件，促使政府在选举年暗示将改变政策方向。
关税
这一直是特朗普最不受欢迎的议题之一。尽管罗根没有像其他问题那样频繁或激烈地评论，但他也对特朗普的策略提出了质疑。
一年前特朗普对加拿大发动关税战时，罗根称此举“愚蠢”。
“我们得重新和加拿大成为朋友。这太荒谬了，”罗根说，“我不敢相信现在存在反美、反加情绪。这是最愚蠢的他妈的争端。”
他在下个月补充道：“我对关税政策感到害怕，因为这是根本性的改变。”
出人意料的是，特朗普没有回击罗根。
上个月被问及罗根的批评时，特朗普告诉NBC新闻，他们最近有过交谈。
“我认为他是个很棒的人，我觉得他也喜欢我，”特朗普说。
他补充道：“而且，你知道，喜欢我并不重要。问题是——我认为我们做得非常出色，但我认为我们不擅长公关。”
Joe Rogan keeps highlighting Trump’s biggest liabilities
Analysis by Aaron Blake
1 hr 17 min ago
PUBLISHED Mar 11, 2026, 6:34 PM ET
Joe Rogan looks on during UFC 316 at the Prudential Center on June 7 in Newark.
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If there’s one figure who epitomized President Donald Trump’s ability to cobble together a winning coalition in 2024, it might have been Joe Rogan — the influential podcaster who made big news by endorsing Trump on the eve of the election after interviewing him.
(On the flipside, much ink has been spilled about the Kamala Harris campaign not booking a date with Rogan’s podcast and the detrimental effect that might have had on her bid to become president.)
Sixteen months later, Rogan epitomizes Trump’s problems in holding that coalition together.
Rogan has broken with Trump on several major issues since mid-2025. And polling shows the issues he’s picked happen to be some of Trump’s biggest political liabilities – including the war with Iran, the Jeffrey Epstein files and immigration enforcement.
Iran
The big, new one is the war with Iran. Rogan said Tuesday that Trump’s ongoing assault on the country broke his promises to his voters.
“But it just seems so insane based on what he ran on,” Rogan said. “I mean, this is why a lot of people feel betrayed, right? He ran on no more wars and these stupid senseless wars, and then we have one that we can’t even really clearly define why we did it.”
Rogan had also been skeptical of Trump’s plans to target Venezuela before the ouster of Nicolas Maduro back in January. But he said that operation was at least “clean.” The military engagement to bring in Maduro lasted only a few hours, as opposed to the war with Iran, which is nearly two weeks old with no clear end in sight.
“It just doesn’t make any sense to me – unless we’re acting on someone else’s interests, like particularly Israel’s interests,” Rogan added. “It just didn’t make any sense to me.”
Nearly every poll shows the war with Iran is unpopular, with a majority opposing it and independents opposing it around 2-to-1. In fact, it might be the most unpopular new military conflict in a very long time.
Joe Rogan stands for a benediction after President Donald Trump was sworn in as the 47th US President in the US Capitol Rotunda.
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Epstein
Rogan has for months expressed incredulity about the Trump administration’s handling of the Epstein files.
Similar to Iran, he’s cast it as a betrayal of Trump’s supporters, even suggesting that their belief Trump would make Epstein materials public if he won the election was a part of why they backed him.
“There’s a lot of stuff about, you know, when we thought Trump was going to come in and a lot of things are going to be resolved. We’re going to drain the swamp. We’re going to figure everything out,” Rogan said in July. “And when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody’s been talking about forever, and then they’re trying to gaslight you on that?”
Last month, he called the FBI’s claim that there is no evidence Epstein had clients “the gaslightiest gaslighting sh*t I’ve ever heard in my life.”
Two days later, on February 12, he took aim at the Justice Department’s strange and inconsistent redactions practices.
“Like, what is this? This is not good. None of this is good for this administration,” Rogan said. “It looks f**king terrible. It looks terrible.”
Rogan criticized Trump in particular for referring to the matter as a “hoax,” and even entertained the idea that Trump knew what Epstein had been doing.
“It looks terrible for Trump when he was saying that none of this was real, this is all a hoax. This is not a hoax,” Rogan added. “Like, did you not know? Maybe he didn’t know, if you want to be charitable. But this is definitely not a hoax.”
A January CNN poll found just 6% of Americans said they were satisfied with what the federal government had released of the Epstein files to that point.
A more recent Reuters-Ipsos poll from last month showed 65% of Americans said the federal government was “probably” or “definitely” hiding information about Epstein’s death, which was ruled a suicide, and 75% said it was “probably” or “definitely” hiding information about his supposed clients.
Immigration
Rogan has also amassed a growing volume of comments critical of Trump’s immigration crackdown.
It really kicked off in April, when he called the Trump administration’s sending undocumented migrants to a brutal El Salvador prison “horrific.”
By July, he called the administration’s targeting of immigrants without criminal records “insane.”
“Not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers, just construction workers showing up in construction sites and raiding them,” Rogan said. “Gardeners. Like, really?”
Later that month, Rogan decried how US citizens were getting caught up in the raids, and how Trump was trying to deport pro-Palestinian activists with legal status.
“A bunch of people that are totally innocent are going to get caught up. They already have been,” Rogan said. “You know, they have been.”
In mid-October, he said people were right to be concerned about out-of-control border-crossings in recent years. But he added that, “The military in the street, I think, is a dangerous precedent.”
He also criticized the administration for “ripping parents out of their communities,” adding: “I did not ever anticipate seeing that on TV on a regular basis.”
“I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals,” he said.
Rogan went on to criticize the administration for the killings of both Renee Good and Alex Pretti in Minneapolis in January.
“It just seemed all kinds of wrong to me,” he said of Good’s death, adding that it “just looked horrific to me.”
And he even invoked the Gestapo, the secret police in Nazi Germany.
“And then I can also see the point of view of the people who say, ‘Yeah, but you don’t want militarized people in the streets just roaming around snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be US citizens,’” he said. “They just don’t have their papers on them. Are we really going to be the Gestapo? ‘Where’s your papers?’ Is that what we’ve come to?”
Trump’s approval numbers on immigration have gone from about 10 points positive a year ago to about 10 points negative today – in large part because the American people also see his administration’s enforcement operations going too far.
The killings of Good and Pretti, in particular, have resulted in the administration signaling a change of course in an election year.
Tariffs
This has been one of Trump’s most unpopular issues for a long time. And while Rogan hasn’t spoken about it as much or as forcefully, he has called Trump’s strategy into question.
When Trump launched his tariffs against Canada a year ago, Rogan called the move “stupid.”
“We got to become friends with Canada again. This is so ridiculous,” Rogan said. “I can’t believe there is anti-American, anti-Canadian sentiment going on. It’s the dumbest f**king feud.”
He added the next month: “I’m scared of this tariff stuff because it’s radical change.”
Uncharacteristically, Trump hasn’t hit back at Rogan.
Asked about Rogan’s criticisms last month by NBC News, Trump said they had spoken recently.
“I think he’s a great guy, and I think he likes me, too,” Trump said.
He added: “And, you know, liking me isn’t important. What happens is that — I think we do a phenomenal job, but I don’t think we’re good at public relations.”
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