文字记录:马里兰州民主党众议员杰米·拉斯金做客《玛格丽特·布伦南直面全国》节目,2026年4月26日
2026-04-26T12:14:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
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以下是马里兰州民主党众议员杰米·拉斯金的采访文字记录,该采访于2026年4月26日在《玛格丽特·布伦南直面全国》节目中播出。
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玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们现在继续连线马里兰州民主党众议员杰米·拉斯金。议员先生,您昨晚也在场。
众议员杰米·拉斯金: 没错,确实在场。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 您是宴会厅的嘉宾之一。不幸的是,这并非您首次遭遇政治暴力。对于在场的许多人来说,总统、曾在枪击事件中幸存的史蒂夫·斯卡利斯、查理·柯克的遗孀以及我们刚才提到的小罗伯特·肯尼迪都在现场,而您也曾在1月6日国会山事件中,在恐惧中躲起来保命。昨晚的事件对你产生了怎样的影响?你当时做了什么?
众议员拉斯金: 我刚走进会场,正和几位从《波士顿环球报》过来的记者交谈,他们的桌子就在会场边缘附近。我走进宴会厅的时候,克里·肯尼迪是他们的客人,我们正在聊天,突然传来三声巨响。我们听到了尖叫声,盘子、玻璃杯和餐具掉在地上的声音,接着所有人都在大喊:“趴下!”有人从后面推了我一把,我们全都趴在了地上。警报解除后,克里——她的父亲和叔叔都死于刺客的枪口下——她说:“我不敢相信美国各地的学龄儿童每天都在经历这种事,却没有资源来处理他们的心理创伤。”这番话随即引发了关于枪支暴力的讨论,我们国家每天约有275到300人中枪,每天有超过100人因此丧生。所以即便在白宫记者晚宴这场噩梦上演的同时,美国各地已有数十人被枪杀。我希望这不仅仅是华盛顿特区圈内的新闻,我希望我们能关注全美各地学龄儿童和民众所面临的生存环境。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 说得没错。我们得益于周全的安保措施,但全美各地的孩子们连百分之一的安保都没有。
众议员拉斯金: 没错。我听到特朗普总统提到,这凸显了新宴会厅的重要性,他还就宴会厅一事发表了一些言论,这或许能帮助到访白宫的访客,但那些身处购物中心、电影院、全国各地高中和小学的民众呢?我希望我们能开展一场严肃的两党全国性对话,探讨如何为所有人提升公共安全。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 说到这点,我们目前正处于国土安全部部分停摆的第十周,顺便提一下,特勤局隶属于国土安全部,许多一线工作人员也是如此。这场停摆一直纠缠在国会的政策僵局中。你认为昨晚的事件会让局势出现转变吗?
众议员拉斯金: 我当然希望如此。我们都知道,参议院全票通过了这项法案,所有共和党人和民主党人都投了赞成票,众议院的所有民主党人也投票赞成恢复除移民海关执法局(ICE)之外的所有资金。当然,这场僵局的导火索是移民海关执法局在明尼阿波利斯杀害无辜民众的事件,受害者是亚历克斯·普雷蒂和蕾妮·古德。所以我希望我们能为所有人改善公共安全。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 但这项法案在众议院受阻,共和党领导层不愿推进。你认为现在情况会改变吗?民主党人和共和党人会同意全额拨款吗?
众议员拉斯金: 是的,再说一次,国会中有四分之三的议员都赞成推进、解决剩余问题并为所有项目拨款。幸运的是,移民海关执法局的资金并未受到任何影响,因为其最初的拨款数额非常充裕。所以这本质上是一场人为制造的争议,因为他们有足够的资金,但我们仍需解决最初引发这场僵局的根本性问题。
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玛格丽特·布伦南: 民主党当时的立场是搁置拨款——
众议员拉斯金: ——搁置拨款?
玛格丽特·布伦南: 就是为了就移民海关执法局和海关与边境保护局的政策调整展开辩论。
众议员拉斯金: 没错,在明尼阿波利斯的枪击事件发生后,绝对是这样。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 明白,你说这是人为制造的——
众议员拉斯金: ——绝大多数美国民众都同意——不,真正属于人为制造的是“移民海关执法局资金不足”这种说法。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 明白了。
众议员拉斯金: 他们一直都有资金,我的意思是,长期以来他们都不缺资金,因为最初的“宏伟、漂亮的拨款法案”已经涵盖了这部分。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 总统先生。我想确认一下我是否理解了他的发言,因为我们很少听到他这样讲话。他说:“我呼吁所有美国人全心全意地重新承诺,以和平方式解决分歧”,他还谈到要与新闻界成员团结一致。
众议员拉斯金: 是的。嗯,这无疑是他的全新表态,非常好。当然,他之前曾称新闻界是“人民的敌人”,还针对你们这个行业提起了多起诉讼。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。我们即将进入政治氛围浓厚的中期选举季,全国各地的议员都会外出开展竞选活动。议员先生,情况会有所改变吗?他说这起事件会带来改变,那么民主党的言辞也需要调整吗?
众议员拉斯金: 我们一直以来都主张,全国所有政客、所有领导人、所有公民都应该全面谴责政治暴力,无论暴力来自何方。所以,我认为他的言论转变是受欢迎的。但你知道吗,就在上周,他们起诉了南方贫困法律中心,该中心的全部宗旨就是调查国内的右翼极端暴力活动,而现在他们却以该中心使用卧底特工为由提起诉讼,当然,联邦调查局和美国政府一直都在使用卧底特工。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 明白。目前跨党派的政治暴力事件都太多了。事实上,前众议院议长佩洛西最近在本节目中告诉我,她认为针对家人的暴力威胁或担忧,正在阻碍人们参选,尤其是母亲群体和女性群体。你也看到这种情况了吗?人们因为这种威胁不敢涉足公共生活?
众议员拉斯金: 当然,任何考虑参选公职的人无疑都会考虑到这一点。任何考虑竞选总统的人无疑也都会考虑到这一点。而这些人能得到特勤局和其他机构的最周全保护,其他人则没有这种待遇。所以,我们必须重新找回美国伟大的非暴力传统,也就是马丁·路德·金博士和那些以文明运动反对暴力、对抗历史上以三K党为代表的暴力团体,以此恐吓民众的传统。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 拉斯金议员,感谢您做客我们节目,我们很高兴您安然无恙。我们马上回来。
Transcript: Rep. Jamie Raskin on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” April 26, 2026
2026-04-26T12:14:00-0400 / CBS News
Updated on: April 26, 2026 / 1:40 PM EDT / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on April 26, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re back now with Maryland Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin. Congressman, you were there last night.
REP. JAMIE RASKIN: Yes, indeed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: One of the guests in the ballroom. Unfortunately, this is not your first encounter with political violence. For many people in that room, the president, Steve Scalise, who survived a shooting himself, Charlie Kirk’s widow was there, RFK Jr. as we mentioned, and you were at that Capitol on January the sixth, sheltering in fear for your life at that period of time. How did that influence what happened last night? What did you do?
REP. RASKIN: So I just entered the room, and I was talking to some reporters who approached me from the Boston Globe. Their table was right near the perimeter. As I was entering the ballroom. Kerry Kennedy was their guest, and we were in conversation when there were three loud booms. Heard some screams, plates, glasses, silverware hitting the ground, and then everybody was yelling, get down. Somebody kind of pushed me from the back, and we all ended up on the floor. When it was over, Kerry, who, of course, lost her father to an assassin gunman and her uncle, President Kennedy, she said, I can’t believe that school children are dealing with this all across America and don’t have the resources to process their trauma. And so that launched a conversation about gun violence and how you know, somewhere between 275 and 300 people are shot every day in our country, and we lose more than 100 of them every day. So even as this nightmare was unfolding at the White House Correspondents Dinner, dozens and dozens of people had been shot and killed in our country. And so I hope this isn’t just an inside the beltway story. I hope we talk about the conditions for school children and people all over the country who are dealing with this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No, it’s a good point. We had- we benefited from all that security. Those children across the country don’t have a sliver of it.
REP. RASKIN: Well, that’s right. And you know, I heard President Trump talk about this demonstrating the importance of the new ballroom, and he sent out some messages about the ballroom, and that might help people who are visiting the White House, but what about people who are in shopping malls and movie theaters and high schools and elementary schools across the country? So I hope we can have a serious bipartisan national conversation about what we can do to improve public safety for everybody.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, to that point, I mean, we’re in the 10th week of a partial shutdown of Homeland Security, which, by the way, Secret Service, falls under the umbrella of Homeland Security, so do many essential workers. This has been just tangled up in this policy standoff in Congress. Do you think things change after last night?
REP. RASKIN: I certainly hope so. I mean, we, you know, of course, we had a unanimous vote out of the Senate, all the Republicans, all the Democrats, and then all the Democrats in the House vote to restore all of the funding, except for ICE. And of course, it was about ICE killing innocent people in Minneapolis, Alex Pretti and Renee Good that led to this standoff over this so I hope we can improve public safety for everybody.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But it was in the house, and Republican leadership wasn’t willing to do that. But do you think it changes now that Democrats and Republicans will say, let’s fund everything fully?
REP. RASKIN: Yeah, again, we’ve got three quarters of Congress all together on moving forward, resolving the remaining issues and getting everything funded. Fortunately, you know, there’s no interruption in any of ICE’s funding because it was so super, hyper funded originally. So that’s why it’s kind of a made up controversy, because they have the money that they need, but we still have to deal with the underlying issues that led to this in the first place.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: It was the Democrats’ position to hold that up–
REP. RASKIN: –to hold up?
MARGARET BRENNAN: To make the argument over changes, policy wise, to ICE and CBP
REP. RASKIN: Right, after the killings in Minneapolis, yes, absolutely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood, because you said it was made up–
REP. RASKIN: –The vast majority of the American people agree- well no, what’s made up is the idea that ICE somehow isn’t getting its money.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Got it.
REP. RASKIN: It’s been getting, I mean, it’s got the money for a long time because of the original, you know, the “big, beautiful, bill.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president. I want to make sure that I recognize what he said, because we don’t hear him speak this way very often. He said, I asked all Americans to recommit with their hearts, to resolve our difference peacefully, and he talked about being unified with members of the press.
REP. RASKIN: Yes. Well, that certainly- that’s a new message from him. That’s great. He had called the press, of course, the enemy of the people, and he’s been engaged in a lot of lawsuits against your profession.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, yes. We are going into this politically charged midterm season. There’s going to be campaigning around the country with lawmakers out there. I mean, does something change? He said, this, does something change? Does democratic language need to change as well?
REP. RASKIN: We have said all along that we need every politician in the country, every leader in the country, every citizen IN the country denouncing political violence across the board, regardless of where it’s coming from. So, you know, I find this a welcome change in rhetoric. But you know what happened last week, they brought a lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center, whose whole purpose is to or is to investigate violent right wing extremism in the country, and now they’re prosecuting them for having used undercover agents, which, of course, the FBI uses and the government uses all the time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. And there is, across party lines, some political violence, way too much of it right now. And actually, Speaker Emerita Pelosi on this program said to me recently that she thought the threat or the concern about violence or threats to your family is what is hurting recruitment of people to run for office, particularly mothers, particularly women. Are you seeing that? That people are afraid to even join public life because of this?
REP. RASKIN: Sure, anybody who’s thinking about running for office undoubtedly thinks about that. Anybody who’s thinking about running for president undoubtedly thinks about that. And those people have the most protection with the Secret Service, and other people don’t have the same kind of protection. So look, we’ve got to rediscover the great American tradition of nonviolence and Dr. King and the civilizing movements that have always opposed violence versus the violent groups that have used violence historically, beginning with the Ku Klux Klan, in order to terrorize other people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Raskin, thank you for joining us, and we’re glad you were able to do so. We’ll be right back.
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