2026年5月13日 / 美国东部时间下午6:41 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
根据美国众议院监督委员会周三公布的证词记录，美国商务部长霍华德·卢特尼克表示，他多年来都不知道自己的隔壁邻居杰弗里·爱泼斯坦是一名登记在案的性犯罪者。
卢特尼克还描述了爱泼斯坦曾说过的一句“粗俗”言论，内容是关于“找到合适类型的按摩”。
“他就是这么跟我说的，当时我妻子就站在我旁边，我们对视了一眼，然后就离开了，”卢特尼克说道。
卢特尼克是在5月6日自愿闭门接受该委员会质询时讲述了这段对话。他当时被问及与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的关系，以及他对两人过往经历的说法不断变化的情况。
当天，委员会的民主党议员指责卢特尼克避重就轻，称他为了误导公众“把英语说得一团糟”，并呼吁他辞职，理由是他对自己与这名已故性犯罪者之间互动的描述前后不一。
但监督委员会主席、共和党议员詹姆斯·科默表示，民主党议员正在曲解卢特尼克的原话，并且从一开始就试图编造一个“叙事”来诋毁唐纳德·特朗普总统。
“这从来都不是为了追究那些本该在多年前就起诉爱泼斯坦的人的责任，而总是为了针对唐纳德·特朗普，”科默在5月6日对记者说道。
公布的文件显示，直到2014年，爱泼斯坦和卢特尼克仍有商业合作，两人同时投资了一家现已倒闭的广告公司Adfin。
卢特尼克在证词中表示，他当时并不知道爱泼斯坦也是该公司的早期投资者。
多年来，卢特尼克一直坚称自己与作为纽约邻居的爱泼斯坦来往甚少，但在记录这次行程的文件被公开后，他最近才承认自己曾于2012年带着家人前往爱泼斯坦的私人岛屿。
卢特尼克、他的妻子艾莉森以及他们的孩子在爱泼斯坦和卢特尼克投资Adfin前不久，造访了爱泼斯坦位于加勒比海的圣詹姆斯小岛。文件中的一张未注明日期的照片显示，爱泼斯坦和卢特尼克与一群男子一同出现在该岛上。
卢特尼克曾是金融服务公司Cantor Fitzgerald的前董事长，他此前曾表示自己在2005年就与爱泼斯坦断绝了联系，而爱泼斯坦是在三年后在佛罗里达州就卖淫相关指控认罪。
卢特尼克告诉委员会，他于1997年买下了纽约上东区爱泼斯坦家隔壁的房产，但直到2005年装修完成后才搬进去。卢特尼克表示，他只见过爱泼斯坦三次，其中包括这次全家的岛屿之行。
在2005年的那次拜访中，卢特尼克称他的妻子也一同参加了，当时他们参观了爱泼斯坦的联排别墅并喝了咖啡，他因对方家中一张按摩床相关的粗俗言论而感到不适，并断定自己不想和爱泼斯坦有任何往来。他还描述了另一次会面，当时双方讨论了爱泼斯坦的门厅。
在超过300万页被称为“爱泼斯坦文件”的记录中，他们的名字或照片被公开后，卢特尼克是最新一位为该委员会作证的权贵人士。其他作证者包括爱泼斯坦遗产的执行人、前总统比尔·克林顿、前国务卿希拉里·克林顿以及亿万富翁商人莱斯·韦克斯纳。这些人并未被指控有不当行为，且均否认知晓爱泼斯坦的性侵行为。
前司法部长帕姆·邦迪已同意于本月晚些时候在该委员会作证。
Lutnick testified he knew little about Epstein, his next-door neighbor
May 13, 2026 / 6:41 PM EDT / CBS News
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said he was unaware for years that his next-door neighbor Jeffrey Epstein was a registered sex offender, according to a transcript of testimony released Wednesday by the House Oversight Committee.
Lutnick also described a “crude” remark Epstein once made about getting “the right kind of massage.”
“He said it to me, and my wife is standing next to me, and we looked at each other, and we left,” Lutnick said.
Lutnick recounted that conversation as he voluntarily testified before the committee behind closed doors on May 6. He faced questions about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and his evolving statements about their history.
That day, Democrats on the committee accused Lutnick of being evasive, saying he “made a farce of the English language” in order to mislead the public, and calling on him to resign over his changing accounts of his interactions with the late sex offender.
But GOP Rep. James Comer, the Oversight Committee’s chairman, said Democrats were twisting Lutnick’s words and had come into the interview to push a “narrative” to damage President Trump.
“It’s never about holding people accountable that should have prosecuted Epstein years ago. It’s always about Donald Trump,” Comer told reporters on May 6.
The files revealed that Epstein and Lutnick were in business together as recently as 2014, investing simultaneously in a now-shuttered advertising company called Adfin.
Lutnick said during the deposition that he was unaware Epstein was also an early investor in the company.
Lutnick has for years insisted he had little relationship with Epstein, who was his neighbor in New York City, but has more recently acknowledged visiting Epstein’s private island with his family in 2012 — after the files documenting the trip were made public.
Lutnick, his wife, Allison, and their children visited Little St. James, Epstein’s Caribbean island, not long before Epstein and Lutnick invested in Adfin. An undated photo from the files shows Epstein and Lutnick among a group of men on the island.
An undated photo of Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnick (in blue shirt) on Epstein’s island. U.S. Department of Justice / Internet Archive
Lutnick, the former chairman of the financial services firm Cantor Fitzgerald, has previously said he cut ties with Epstein in 2005, three years before Epstein entered a guilty plea to state prostitution charges in Florida.
Lutnick told the committee he purchased the property next to Epstein’s home on New York’s Upper East Side in 1997, but didn’t move in until after renovations were complete in 2005. Lutnick said he met Epstein just three times, including his family’s island visit.
During the 2005 visit, a coffee and tour of Epstein’s townhouse that Lutnick said his wife also joined, he said he was turned off by a crude comment related to a massage table in the home, and he concluded he didn’t want a relationship with Epstein. He also described one other meeting, a discussion about Epstein’s foyer.
Lutnick was the latest in a parade of powerful people to testify for the committee after their names or pictures appeared in the more than 3 million pages of records known as the Epstein files. Others who testified include the executors of Epstein’s estate, as well as former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and billionaire businessman Les Wexner. They have not been accused of wrongdoing and denied any knowledge of Epstein’s abuses.
Former Attorney General Pam Bondi has agreed to testify before the panel later this month.
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