2026-04-18T18:19:17.736Z / 美国有线电视新闻网（CNN）
专栏作者：
亚伦·布莱克
发布时间：美国东部时间2026年4月18日下午2:19
娱乐界 唐纳德·特朗普
（左至右）美国食品药品监督管理局局长马蒂·马卡里、卫生与公众服务部长小罗伯特·F·肯尼迪、美国媒体名人乔·罗根、美国人伊波加因协会首席执行官W·布莱恩·哈伯德以及前海军海豹突击队队员马库斯·卢特雷尔，于4月18日在华盛顿特区白宫椭圆形办公室出席美国总统唐纳德·特朗普签署行政令仪式后鼓掌。
吉姆·沃森/法新社/盖蒂图片社
按照乔·罗根的说法，特朗普总统在快速推进伊波加因等特定致幻剂治疗用途研究之前，只需要这位播客主持人发来一条短信。
“他回复的短信是：‘听起来很棒！你想要食品药品监督管理局批准吗？那就这么办！’”罗根在周六椭圆形办公室签署仪式上站在特朗普身后时说道，“事情真的就这么快。”
这段轶事看似是为了体现特朗普急于帮助民众，但也反映出他与罗根之间日益引人关注的权力动态。
罗根此次意外到访，恰逢他在自己热门播客节目中多次发表高调言论，批评特朗普处理伊朗战争的方式。
而特朗普此前曾怒斥那些提出类似批评的盟友——比如塔克·卡尔森、梅根·凯利、坎迪斯·欧文斯和亚历克斯·琼斯——但他对罗根却采取了截然不同的策略。
他的态度要亲切得多。其他人得到的是尖酸刻薄的抨击，而罗根不知为何却得到了优待。
罗根对伊朗战争的评论对特朗普来说向来毫不留情。
上个月，他称这场战争“完全违背了特朗普竞选时的承诺”——尤其是结束战争的承诺——并表示这场战争“正是很多人感到被背叛的原因”。
“我不敢相信我们竟然卷入了这场战争，”本月早些时候他在与西奥·冯一同主持的另一档播客中说道。
就在本周四，罗根还称这场战争“他妈的令人恐惧”。
“大多数投票给特朗普或希望特朗普就职的人，当初被他吸引的原因之一就是：不再有战争，”罗根说，“现在我们却卷入了这场最疯狂的战争之一。”
就在罗根发表这些言论的同一天，有消息传出特朗普将批准罗根的一项重要倡议。（不过需要强调的是，推动此事的绝非只有罗根一人；前得克萨斯州共和党州长里克·佩里和前亚利桑那州民主党参议员克里斯滕·西内马也参与其中。）两天后，罗根意外现身椭圆形办公室。
而罗根并非唯一一个暗示这种有趣权力动态的人。
在当天的活动中，特朗普似乎特意提及了罗根的受众群体。
“我们在大选前做过一次采访，”特朗普说道，他指的是2024年10月做客罗根节目的经历，当时罗根在大选前夜公开支持他，“当时的观看人数超过3亿，我说：‘天啊，希望卡玛拉别赢。’结果她确实没赢。”
尽管罗根发表了针对伊朗战争的批评言论，特朗普还是称他“一个很棒的人”。
美国媒体名人乔·罗根在2025年1月20日于华盛顿特区美国国会圆形大厅出席唐纳德·特朗普总统就职第47任美国总统仪式后，站立参与祈福仪式。
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那么该如何解读这一现象？
一种解读方式是，这表明特朗普至少在一定程度上担心因伊朗战争失去选民基础。考虑到多项民调都显示他确实有理由感到担忧，这一说法是合理的。
尽管自称“让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）的支持者表示认可这场战争，但特朗普2024年大选的选民中，多达五分之一甚至四分之一的人并不支持，其余多数人也只是勉强接受。目前，相当一部分特朗普的选民似乎多少都有了“买后悔药”的想法。
随着中期选举临近，特朗普或许终于意识到这是个问题。
但另一种并不与之冲突的解释是，他在罗根身上看到了与凯利、卡尔森等人不同的特质。
毕竟，即便罗根此前提出过其他重大批评，特朗普也一直对他格外宽容。
就在罗根首次严厉批评伊朗战争的第二天，特朗普上个月在与播主洛根·保罗对话时，还深情回忆起2024年与罗根的采访。
今年2月初，美国全国广播公司新闻台直接询问特朗普对罗根批评其移民驱逐政策的看法时，特朗普选择试图缓和关系，而非大发雷霆。
“我认为他是个很棒的人，我觉得他也喜欢我，”特朗普说道。
他随后补充道：“而且，你知道的，喜欢我并没有那么重要。”
这一言论十分可笑。特朗普经常坦言，他对他人的看法很大程度上取决于对方是否喜欢自己。
但当涉及到要求对方效忠时，他往往会对那些他认为理应效忠自己的人提出更高要求。从这个角度来看，罗根或许与凯利和卡尔森等人不同，后者更深地扎根于保守派运动。而罗根来自一个更远离政治的领域。
周六在椭圆形办公室，特朗普称罗根“比我稍微自由派一点”。
也正是出于这个原因，罗根的批评对特朗普来说是个格外棘手的问题。他的受众群体比凯利和卡尔森等人更不关心政治。这些人正是特朗普在罗根的帮助下新近纳入其选民联盟的群体，因此特朗普可能更担心他们会脱离自己的阵营。
你不难理解特朗普为何会有点害怕罗根——也不难理解他为何觉得有必要为罗根提供一两次帮助。
但即便如此，特朗普这样的人竟然觉得需要以这种方式迎合他人，仍然令人惊讶。
Trump is savaging allies who criticize the Iran war. But he’s treating Joe Rogan very differently
2026-04-18T18:19:17.736Z / CNN
Analysis by
Aaron Blake
PUBLISHED Apr 18, 2026, 2:19 PM ET
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(L/R) FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., US media personality Joe Rogan, W. Bryan Hubbard, CEO of Americans for Ibogaine, and former Navy SEAL Marcus Lutrell applaud after US President Donald Trump signed an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC on April 18.
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The way Joe Rogan tells it, about all President Donald Trump needed before he fast-tracked research into therapeutic uses for certain psychedelic treatments like Ibogaine was a text from the podcaster.
“The text message came back, ‘Sounds great! Do you want FDA approval? Let’s do it!’” Rogan said while standing directly behind Trump at an Oval Office signing ceremony on Saturday. “It was literally that quick.”
The anecdote was seemingly meant to show how anxious Trump is to help people. But it also reflected an increasingly fascinating power dynamic between Trump and Rogan.
Rogan’s surprise visit happened to come after he has made a number of high-profile comments critical of Trump’s handling of the Iran war to Rogan’s massive podcast audience.
And while Trump has savaged other allies who offered similar criticisms – people like Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones – he’s taking a very different tack with Rogan.
It’s a much more solicitous one. While others get the vinegar, Rogan is for some reason getting the sugar.
Rogan’s commentary on the Iran war has been routinely brutal for Trump.
Last month, he called the war “insane based on what he ran on” – specifically, ending wars – and said the war was “why a lot of people feel betrayed” by Trump.
“I can’t believe we went to this war,” he said on another podcast with Theo Von earlier this month.
And just this Thursday, Rogan called the war “f**king terrifying.”
“Most people that voted for Trump or wanted Trump to be in office, one of the things that was attractive was this: No more wars,” Rogan said. “Now we’re in one of the craziest ones.”
The same day Rogan made those comments, news broke that Trump would sign off on one of Rogan’s big initiatives. (Though it bears emphasizing it’s hardly just Rogan pushing this; it’s also former Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.) Two days later, Rogan was a surprise guest in the Oval Office.
And Rogan wasn’t the only one gesturing at the interesting power dynamics.
At the event, Trump seemed to make a point to refer to Rogan’s audience.
“We did a little interview before the election,” Trump said, referring to his appearance on Rogan’s show in October 2024, shortly before Rogan endorsed him on the eve of the election. “We had over 300 million people, and I said, ‘Oh man, I hope Kamala doesn’t do it.’ And she didn’t.”
Trump also called Rogan “a fantastic person,” despite Rogan’s comments on the Iran war.
US media personality Joe Rogan stands for a benediction after President Donald Trump was sworn in as the 47th US President in the US Capitol Rotunda in Washington, DC, on January 20, 2025.
Saul Loeb/Pool/Reuters
So how to read this?
One way is that it shows Trump has at least some fear of losing his base over the Iran war. And that would make sense, given there’s a bevy of polling suggesting he should fear such a thing.
While self-described MAGA supporters say they approve of the war, as many as 1 in 5 or even 1 in 4 of Trump’s 2024 voters do not, and many of the rest are only lukewarm on it. A significant chunk of Trump’s voters seem to have at least some buyer’s remorse right now.
Perhaps it’s starting to register for Trump that this is a problem as the midterm elections loom.
But a non-mutually exclusive explanation is that he just sees something different in Rogan than he does in the likes of Kelly and Carlson.
After all, he’s regularly treated Rogan with kid gloves even after other major criticisms.
Trump also fondly recalled his 2024 Rogan interview while speaking with podcaster Logan Paul last month, just a day after Rogan’s first big, harsh Iran war criticisms.
And when NBC News in early February asked Trump directly about Rogan’s criticisms of Trump’s deportation efforts, Trump opted to try and smooth things over rather than lash out.
“I think he’s a great guy, and I think he likes me, too,” Trump said.
Trump then added: “And, you know, liking me isn’t important.”
That’s a laughable comment. Trump has regularly acknowledged how much his view of people hinges on whether they like him.
But when it comes to taking the next step and offering him loyalty, he tends to demand it more from people he thinks should be loyal to him. And in that way, Rogan might be different from others like Kelly and Carlson, who are much more steeped in the conservative movement. Rogan comes from a much more of an apolitical world.
On Saturday in the Oval Office, Trump referred to Rogan as “a little bit more liberal than I am.”
It’s also for that reason that Rogan’s criticisms present a particularly problematic development for Trump. His audience is more apolitical than the likes of Kelly and Carlson. They’re the kind of people Trump only recently brought into his coalition – with Rogan’s help – and therefore Trump might fear they’re more apt to leave.
You can begin to see why Trump might be a little afraid of Rogan – and why he might feel compelled to do him a favor or two.
But it’s still remarkable that Trump, of all people, actually feels like he needs to cater to someone in this way.
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