2026-02-15T10:29:00-0500 / CBS新闻
更新时间：2026年2月15日 / 美国东部时间上午10:30 / CBS新闻
以下是2026年2月15日在《面对国家》节目中播出的对纽约州民主党众议员、众议院少数党领袖哈基姆·杰弗里斯的采访实录。
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埃德·奥基夫：我们现在转向众议院民主党领袖哈基姆·杰弗里斯，他今天上午从纽约市加入我们的节目。杰弗里斯领袖，感谢您来到这里。
民主党领袖哈基姆·杰弗里斯：早上好。很高兴与您交流。
埃德·奥基夫：随着政府停摆持续，我想提醒观众，国会民主党人正在寻求重新开放国土安全部。你们希望移民局特工出示身份证件、佩戴随身摄像头、摘下口罩、停止种族歧视，并在进入私人财产前获得司法令状。白宫与国会民主党人的谈判仍在继续。您是否愿意妥协，允许其中任何一项条件，以实现政府重新开门？
杰弗里斯议员：我们的价值主张很简单，纳税人的钱应该用来让美国民众生活更实惠，而不是像我们在明尼阿波利斯看到的那样残酷杀害他们，比如冷血杀害勒内·尼科尔·古德和亚历克斯·普雷蒂。我们知道，美国民众也清楚知道，移民和海关执法局（ICE）完全失控，需要加以约束。因为美国民众理应得到公平、公正且人道的移民执法。因此，在任何国土安全部拨款法案推进之前，我们需要对ICE进行重大变革，包括但不限于您之前提出的那些内容。
埃德·奥基夫：除了在随身摄像头方面有些灵活性（因为他们已经开始花钱配备这些设备），一些共和党人拒绝了这份政策改革提案清单。你们之间似乎仍相距甚远。那么，这个问题何时能解决？我再次问您，如果——您是否愿意放弃这些要点中的任何一点，以实现政府重新开门？
杰弗里斯议员：我们愿意就所有问题进行真诚对话，但从根本上说，我们需要的是重大、大胆、有意义且具有变革性的改变。这些都是常识性的事情。例如，在ICE特工突击进入私人财产或强行将普通美国人从家中带走之前，应该要求获得司法令状。我们需要确保有真正独立的调查，如果州和地方法律遭到侵犯（在许多情况下是暴力侵犯），州和地方当局应该有权对违法者进行刑事调查和起诉。因为我们不能相信克里斯蒂·诺姆或帕姆·邦迪会进行独立调查。我们认为敏感场所应该被排除在外，例如宗教场所、学校、医院或投票站，而且从根本上说，ICE应该针对非法滞留的暴力重犯，而不是暴力打击守法移民家庭，这与唐纳德·特朗普对美国民众的承诺完全不符。
埃德·奥基夫：没错。我们上周报道称，约14%的被拘留者有暴力犯罪记录，总体上约60%的人有犯罪记录。但其中14%是暴力罪犯。再说一次，这听起来像是会持续一段时间，因为汤姆·霍曼在任何问题上都不太灵活，尤其是在令状和口罩问题上。您不会让步。那么，可能什么时候我们能看到这个问题得到解决？
杰弗里斯议员：我们会在到达那座桥时再考虑过桥的事。我当然希望——
埃德·奥基夫：——听起来您会提前解决。我的意思是——
杰弗里斯议员：——我们可以在这之前达成协议。问题在于，政府和共和党人已经明确决定，宁愿关闭联邦紧急事务管理局（FEMA）、海岸警卫队和运输安全管理局（TSA），也不愿进行必要的重大改革，以确保ICE和其他国土安全部执法机构的行为与美国其他执法人员一致。例如，警察不会戴口罩，县治安官不会戴口罩，州警察也不会戴口罩。为什么未经培训的ICE特工会在社区中肆意妄为，带来无法无天、暴力和虐待？这是不可接受的、不可饶恕的，也是不人道的。
埃德·奥基夫：是的，我们早些时候与汤姆·霍曼讨论过这个问题。当然，他们指出，过去一年针对ICE特工的袭击增加了1300%以上，从约275起增加到19起。所以，针对这些特工被攻击的合理担忧是存在的，但您关于——
杰弗里斯议员：——我们将继续鼓励美国民众和平行使宪法权利、集会自由、言论自由和表达自由，正如我们在明尼阿波利斯看到的那样，绝大多数民众都这样做了。
埃德·奥基夫：好的，我们将继续关注政府停摆和谈判进展。在您接受采访期间，我还想问您几个其他问题。首先，您是“八人小组”成员之一，该小组负责听取国家安全事务简报。据报道，五角大楼正为外交失败后总统选择对伊朗发动持续数周的军事行动做准备。您对这些计划了解多少？或者作为“八人小组”成员，您想了解什么？
杰弗里斯议员：政府，正如自本届总统任期开始以来的情况一样，一直迟迟不向国会“八人小组”成员、立法机构领导层以及情报委员会的主要民主党和共和党人提供信息，当然也没有向国会整体提供大量信息。政府中的这些极端分子似乎不认为国会是一个独立且地位平等的政府部门。我们是。事实上，根据美国宪法第一条，宣战权完全属于国会。现在，美国民众希望唐纳德·特朗普和共和党人真正兑现承诺，专注于降低高昂的生活成本和修复我们破败的医疗保健系统。正是唐纳德·特朗普承诺，事实上在第一天成本就会下降。但成本并没有下降。我们正处于一个尚未解决的经济负担危机中。也许总统应该专注于让美国民众生活得更好。仅此而已，到此为止。
埃德·奥基夫：我理解您的意思。我想提醒观众，众议院目前的席位差距非常紧张。要想获得多数席位，民主党至少需要净增3个席位。我想播放一段您在周四被问及2026年选举时的发言。
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杰弗里斯议员：我们只需要净增3个席位。这将发生。民主党将重新夺回众议院控制权，唯一的问题是，差距是多少？
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埃德·奥基夫：现在，民主党国会竞选委员会认为众议院435个席位中有44个处于竞争状态，包括您上周刚刚补充的5个新席位：弗吉尼亚州中南部、南卡罗来纳州一个选区、明尼苏达州南部、科罗拉多州中部以及蒙大拿州的一个普选席位。我们应该指出，这些都是民主党通常不赢得选举的地区。那么，如果今天举行选举，您认为民主党至少能赢得多少席位？
杰弗里斯议员：如果今天举行选举，我们将重新掌控众议院，而且我不认为这会是一场势均力敌的竞争。但这些将是一场场逐个选区的战斗，我们知道我们现在正在红色地区赢下席位。我们在12月的迈阿密看到，民主党候选人以20个百分点的优势赢得了市长职位，这是30年来首次。然后在1月，我们在德克萨斯州参议院竞选中赢得了一个席位，唐纳德·特朗普刚刚以17个百分点的优势赢得该州，而民主党候选人以14个百分点的优势获胜，这超出预期31个百分点。就在上周末的路易斯安那州，我们赢得了特朗普曾以14个百分点优势获胜的众议院席位，我们——或者说13个百分点——
埃德·奥基夫：所以您赢得了——
杰弗里斯议员：——以24个百分点的优势获胜。这超出预期37个百分点。我的观点是，我们在全国范围内获胜，无论是在蓝州、紫州还是红州，因为美国民众知道，只有我们专注于降低高昂的生活成本、修复我们破败的医疗保健系统，并确保移民执法公平公正。
埃德·奥基夫：您需要至少3个席位。20到25个席位，全部44个席位。您现在怎么想？给我一个数字。
杰弗里斯议员：嗯，我不从事预测业务。我只专注于为美国民众赢得胜利，这样我们就能结束这场国家噩梦。
埃德·奥基夫：好的。杰弗里斯领袖，关于政府停摆和中期选举的讨论将继续。感谢您今天上午抽出时间与我们交流。我们很快会再与您交谈，接下来我们将继续为您带来更多《面对国家》节目内容。请继续关注。
Transcript: House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Feb. 15, 2025
2026-02-15T10:29:00-0500 / CBS News
Updated on: February 15, 2026 / 10:30 AM EST / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat of New York, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Feb. 15, 2026.
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ED O’KEEFE: We turn now to House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, who joins us this morning from New York City. Leader Jeffries, thank you for being here.
DEMOCRATIC LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES: Good morning. Great to be with you.
ED O’KEEFE: So as this shutdown continues, I want to remind our viewers what it is, exactly, congressional Democrats are seeking to reopen the Department of Homeland Security. You want immigration agents to show IDs, to wear body cameras, take off their masks, stop racial profiling and seek judicial warrants to enter private property. Talks between the White House and congressional Democrats are continuing. Are you willing to compromise, to let any of these go, to get the government reopened?
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, our value proposition is simple, taxpayer dollars should be used to make life more affordable for the American people, not brutalize or kill them, as we horrifically saw in Minneapolis with the cold blooded killings of Rene Nicole Good and Alex Pretti. We know, and the American people clearly know, that ICE is totally out of control and they need to be reined in. Because the American people deserve immigration enforcement that is fair, that is just, and that is humane. And so, we need dramatic change at ICE, including, but not limited to, the types of things that you laid out before any DHS funding bill moves forward.
ED O’KEEFE: With the exception of some flexibility on body cameras, because they’re starting to spend some money to get those out there, some Republicans have rejected this list of policy reform proposals. You guys still seem miles apart. So when, conceivably, will we see this resolved? And again, I ask you, if- are there any of these points that you’re willing to let go in order to get the government reopened?
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, we’re willing to have a good faith conversation about everything, but fundamentally we need change that is dramatic, that is bold, that is meaningful and that is transformational. And these are common sense things. For instance, judicial warrants should be required before ICE agents can storm private property or rip everyday Americans out of their homes. We need to make sure that there are actual independent investigations, so that if state and local laws are violated, in many cases, violently violated, that state and local authorities have the ability to criminally investigate and criminally prosecute anyone who has violated the law. Because we cannot trust Kristi Noem or Pam Bondi to conduct an independent investigation. We believe that sensitive locations should be off limits, sensitive locations like houses of worship, schools, hospitals or polling sites, and that fundamentally ICE should be targeting violent felons who are here unlawfully, as opposed to violently targeting law abiding immigrant families, which is completely inconsistent with what Donald Trump promised the American people he would do.
ED O’KEEFE: Right. And we, of course, this past week reported that about 14% of those detained had violent criminal records. About 60% of them were wanted on criminal records overall. But it was that 14%, violent criminals. Again, I just- it sounds like this is going to go on a while, because Tom Homan wasn’t terribly flexible on anything, especially on the issue of warrants and masks. You’re not ceding any ground. So there’s a few things coming up here. For example, State of the Union is scheduled for a week from Tuesday. Should it be held if the Department of Homeland Security is shut down?
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it. It is certainly my hope–
ED O’KEEFE: –Sounds like you’re going to get to it, though. I mean–
REP. JEFFRIES:–we can come to a resolution in advance of it. Well, here’s the thing, the administration and Republicans have made a clear decision that they would rather shut down FEMA, shut down the Coast Guard and shut down TSA, than enact the type of dramatic reforms necessary so that ICE and other DHS law enforcement agencies are conducting themselves like every other law enforcement professional in the country. For instance, police officers don’t use masks. County Sheriffs don’t use masks. State troopers don’t use masks. Why is it that ICE agents who are untrained, are being unleashed on American communities with this type of lawlessness, violence and brutality. Unacceptable, unconscionable, and it’s un-American.
ED O’KEEFE: Yeah, and we went over this with Tom Homan a little earlier. Of course, they point out that assaults against ICE officers have gone up over 1,300% this past year, from about 275 compared to 19 the year before. So there are some legitimate concerns about those agents being targeted, but your broader point about–
REP. JEFFRIES: –We’re going to- yeah–
ED O’KEEFE:– whether or not law enforcement should behave the same as our law enforcement is heard.
REP. JEFFRIES: Yes, and we’re going to continue, of course, to encourage the American people to exercise their constitutional rights, their freedom of assembly and their freedom of speech and their freedom of expression peacefully, as we saw overwhelmingly done in Minneapolis.
ED O’KEEFE: All right, well we’ll stay tuned on the shutdown and the negotiations. Let me ask you a few other things while we have you. First of all, you’re a member of the Gang of Eight who gets briefed on national security matters. The Pentagon is reportedly planning for the possibility of sustained, weeks-long operations against Iran if diplomacy fails and the president opts to attack. What do you know about those plans? Or what would you want to learn as a member of the Gang of Eight?
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, the administration, as has been the case since the very beginning of this presidency, has been slow to provide information both to the Gang of Eight members of Congress, the legislative leadership and the top Democrats and Republicans on the Intel Committee and certainly hasn’t provided a significant amount of information to Congress in general. These people within the administration, the extremists, they don’t seem to believe that Congress is a separate and co-equal branch of government. We are. In fact, the power to declare war is exclusively given to Congress in Article I of the United States Constitution. Now, the American people want Donald Trump and Republicans to actually keep their promise and focus on driving down the high cost of living and fixing our broken health care system. It was Donald Trump, who promised, in fact, that costs will go down on day one. Costs haven’t gone down. We’re in the midst of an affordability crisis that hasn’t been resolved. Perhaps the president should focus on making life better for the American people. Period. Full stop.
ED O’KEEFE: I hear you on that. I want to remind our viewers of the current tick tock tight margins in the House. You’ve got to net at least three seats to take the majority at this point. I want to play for you part of what you had to say about the 2026 elections when you were asked this past Thursday. Take a listen.
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REP. JEFFRIES: We only need to net three. It’s happening. Democrats are going to take back control of the House, and the only question is, what’s the margin?
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ED O’KEEFE: Right now, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee considers 44 of the 435 seats in the House in play, including, you just added five new ones this past week, South Central Virginia, a district in South Carolina, southern Minnesota, central Colorado and the at-large seat in Montana. Parts of the country where Democrats don’t normally win elections, we should point out. So if the election were held today, at minimum, at minimum, how many seats do you see Democrats winning?
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, if the election were held today, we’re taking back control of the House of Representatives, and I’m not convinced that it would necessarily be close. But these are battles that are going to be waged, district by district by district, we know we’re winning seats now in deep red territory. We saw that in Miami in December, where we won the mayor’s race for the first time in 30 years by 20 points. And then in January, of course, we flipped a seat in the Texas State Senate that Donald Trump had just won by 17 points. The Democratic candidate won it by 14. That was a 31 point over performance. And then just last weekend in Louisiana, we flipped the House seat that Trump had won by 14. We won that- or 13–
ED O’KEEFE: So you won it–
REP. JEFFRIES: –by 24 points. That was a 37 point over performance. My point is we’re winning across the country, in blue states and purple states and red states, because the American people know we’re the only ones focused on driving down the high cost of living, fixing our broken health care system and making sure that immigration enforcement is fair and just.
ED O’KEEFE: You’ve got to get at least three. Twenty to 25 seats, all 44 seats. What do you think right now? Give me a number.
REP. JEFFRIES: Well, I’m not in the prediction business. I’m in the let’s win on behalf of the American people so we can end this national nightmare business.
ED O’KEEFE: All right. Leader Jeffries, to be continued on the shutdown and on the midterms. We appreciate you spending some time with us this morning. We’ll talk to you soon, and we’ll be right back with a lot more Face the Nation. Stay with us.