2026-03-08T12:40:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是2026年3月8日在《面对国家》节目中对弗吉尼亚州民主党参议员蒂姆·凯恩的采访实录。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：我们现在请来了弗吉尼亚州民主党参议员蒂姆·凯恩，参议员，很高兴您能来到这里。
蒂姆·凯恩参议员（D-VA）：谢谢，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南：您在多个相关委员会任职，包括武装部队委员会和外交关系委员会。我想问问您关于美国驻奥斯陆大使馆附近昨晚发生爆炸的事情。挪威警方表示，这可能是一起与当前安全局势相关的蓄意袭击。我们对这里的威胁以及对其他美国驻外机构了解多少？
凯恩参议员：存在威胁。由于我在外交关系委员会的工作，我一直在与世界各地的国务院人员进行沟通。安全措施已经升级，其他使馆或领事馆也出现了抗议活动，这些抗议活动似乎正在向暴力方向升级，至少对我们的外交官构成了威胁。我们有美国公民被困在该地区。他们被告知回家，但直到商业航班停飞后才收到通知。因此，我的办公室本周一直在帮助弗吉尼亚州的公民回家。我们有责任确保我们勇敢的专业人员无论身在何处都能安全，也有责任确保我们的公民安全。玛格丽特，这就是我一直追问的一个问题：我们从25年的中东战争中什么都没学到吗？昨天有包括一名弗吉尼亚人在内的首批美国伤亡人员回国，这让我担心答案是否定的。
玛格丽特·布伦南：那么您估计还有多少美国人被困在中东？
凯恩参议员：有数千人。不过，不是每个美国人都选择回家。如果把所有相关的人加起来，可能有数十万之多。我正在与那些联系我的弗吉尼亚州人合作。几天前，我们帮助一名里士满地区的居民从迪拜乘坐航班回国。我们正在处理这些事情。但更让我担心的是，一些使馆和领事馆的工作人员没有被通知回国。他们仍然留在那里，而且他们的安全保障往往不如我们期望的那样。所以我们必须密切关注他们。
玛格丽特·布伦南：让我们谈谈国内情况。我们正处于国土安全部分停摆的第四周。这意味着海岸警卫队、特勤局和运输安全管理局的人员没有工资。但美国移民和海关执法局（ICE）和美国海关与边境保护局（CBP）仍在获得资金。考虑到民主党人的压力并没有影响到他们希望看到政策改变的机构，这真的是一个有效的策略吗？
凯恩参议员：嗯，我们已经向共和党人提出，我们已经就除ICE和CBP之外的所有其他机构的资金达成了协议。让我们通过这些资金法案。我们可以将ICE和CBP的改革讨论仅限于这两个机构，并为其他机构提供资金。到目前为止，共和党人一直阻挠这些努力。我们希望为TSA、联邦紧急事务管理局（FEMA）、海岸警卫队和美国网络安全和基础设施安全局（CISA）提供资金。我们希望为这些机构提供资金。我们已经在两党和参众两院之间达成了一项资金协议。让我们先通过这些法案。然后，关于ICE和CBP的改革讨论，共和党人去年夏天已经给了他们资金，他们现在并不缺钱。我们可以继续讨论这两个机构的改革。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我想问的是，CBS获得的一份国土安全部关键事件报告称，伊朗宗教领袖发布了宗教法令，呼吁穆斯林为最高领袖的死亡复仇。国土安全部表示，过去这类宗教法令并没有真正引发袭击事件，但——
凯恩参议员：——但你必须对此感到担忧。
玛格丽特·布伦南：——但在当前时刻你必须对此感到担忧。那么，是否有充分的理由结束这场僵局？
凯恩参议员：我完全同意。让我们为目前没有资金的所有这些机构提供资金，同时将ICE和CBP的讨论限制在必要的改革范围内。
玛格丽特·布伦南：为什么这种情况没有发生？
凯恩参议员：嗯，我们在参议院提出了这个请求，但共和党人迄今为止拒绝了。他们说，要么全部资金都通过，要么什么都不通过。我们说，我们已经就所有其他机构达成了一致。让我们先通过这些。但ICE和CBP需要改革。我们已经非常明确地表明了这一点，美国公民也希望进行这些改革。这就是我们目前的重点。而且他们现在资金充足，因为共和党人在去年夏天的和解法案中已经提供了资金。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们看到诺姆部长本周失去了职位。您曾表示后悔投票支持她——
凯恩参议员：——大错特错——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——您是支持她的民主党人之一——
凯恩参议员：——她曾是州长。州长通常可以成为很好的内阁秘书。但我们从中吸取了教训，这一点将影响未来的决策，那就是她并没有掌控权力。斯蒂芬·米勒才是真正发号施令的人。只要他继续发号施令而不进行改革，这个部门就会继续成为一个非常、非常脱离正轨、叛逆的部门。
玛格丽特·布伦南：那么，如果您认为马克韦恩·穆林参议员只是斯蒂芬·米勒的傀儡，您需要从他那里看到或听到什么才能投他的票？
凯恩参议员：这就是我们的担忧。他可能会证明并非如此。但我们想要看到的不仅仅是部门名称的改变。我们想要看到ICE和CBP运作方式的改革。它们应该像地方执法部门那样运作，而不是在没有搜查令的情况下入侵人们的家，应该配备随身摄像头，不戴口罩（注：此处可能为原文口误或翻译调整，原意应为“应该佩戴随身摄像头，而不是随意进入”）。
玛格丽特·布伦南：是行政搜查令，而不是司法搜查令，对吗？
凯恩参议员：是的——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——他们使用的那种。
凯恩参议员：嗯，对于住宅，我认为司法搜查令非常重要，这对于入侵人们的住宅至关重要。这些是我们地方执法机构遵循的基本原则。阿什兰镇警察局就遵循这些原则。我们应该要求我们的联邦机构也完全遵循这些原则。
玛格丽特·布伦南：您还在武装部队委员会任职。
凯恩参议员：是的。
玛格丽特·布伦南：五角大楼可能正在考虑一项补充预算请求，以资助这场新的中东战争。战略与国际研究中心（CSIS）估计，战争的前100小时花费了近40亿美元。您听说过相关的成本估算吗？我们在补充预算法案方面进展如何？会得到民主党的支持吗？
凯恩参议员：我们不知道白宫是否会提出补充预算请求。我们几天前参加了一个机密简报会，这个问题被提了出来。我可以说的是，这并不涉及机密，政府表示他们还没有做出决定。我目前的目标有两个：停止这场战争，我认为这场战争既不合法也非常不明智，同时保护我们的军队。如果补充预算法案提交上来，我会看看它如何符合这些目标。保护军队是关键。这也是我想要停止战争的原因之一。我认为特朗普总统的做法使他们面临完全不必要的风险。因此，如果他们提交补充预算法案，我们会查看它如何实现这些目标。
玛格丽特·布伦南：他们告诉过您这取决于什么吗？为什么他们不确定是否需要更多资金？是因为冲突的持续时间吗？
凯恩参议员：我认为这是问题所在。传统上，人们不会在冲突进行到一半时就提出补充预算请求，因为可能会导致资金不足。我认为他们可能不想提出补充预算请求，因为他们试图避免国会就伊朗战争进行辩论和投票。我提出了一项战争权力法案投票，但本周我失败了。但我可以向您保证，我不会退缩。我们还有其他方式来讨论这场战争在经过25年中东战争后是否符合美国利益。他们可能想避免就这一问题进行投票，并试图为此拖延时间。他们会做出决定，我们需要关注法案内容。
玛格丽特·布伦南：很快，我想问一下仍被关押在伊朗埃文监狱的美国人的情况。其中一名是记者雷扎·瓦利扎德，另一名是70岁的卡姆兰·赫克马蒂。您知道他们正在采取什么措施来保护他们，防止他们遭到报复吗？
凯恩参议员：我不知道，我对此感到担忧。如果学校的孩子们在轰炸中丧生，很可能是美国发动的轰炸，尽管总统和国防部长现在试图编造说是伊朗所为。如果学校的孩子们在轰炸中丧生，我担心被关押在那里的美国公民的命运。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们知道军方正在调查此事，赫格塞斯部长已经就女子学校的事件发表了讲话。我们今天就到这里。参议员，感谢您的时间。
凯恩参议员：很高兴和您交流，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们稍后继续。
Transcript: Sen. Tim Kaine on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” March 8, 2026
2026-03-08T12:40:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on March 8, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by Virginia Democratic Senator Tim Kaine, good to have you here, Senator.
SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA): Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You sit on many relevant committees, armed services, foreign relations. I want to ask you about this explosion overnight nearby the U.S. Embassy in Oslo. I understand that the Norwegian police say it may have been a deliberate attack linked to the current security situation. What do we know about the threat here and to other American posts?
SEN. KAINE: There are threats. Because of my service on the Foreign Relations Committee, I’ve been in dialogue with State Department personnel around the world. Escalated security, other embassies or consulates have had protests, protests that kind of were merging toward violence or at least frightening to our diplomats. We have American citizens stranded in the region. They were told to come home, but they weren’t told to come home until after commercial air flights had stopped. And so my office has been working with Virginians this week trying to help them come home. And so we owe it to our brave professionals wherever they are, and our citizens to keep them safe. And, Margaret, that’s just one more reason why I’ve been asking the question, have we learned nothing from 25 years of war in the Middle East? And with the arrival of the first American casualties back home yesterday, including a Virginian, I worry that the answer to that is no.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So do you have an estimate on the number of Americans still stranded in the Middle East?
SEN. KAINE: It’s thousands and thousands. Now, not every American chooses to come home. So there’s hundreds of thousands, if you just add them all up, who is coming home. I am working with the Virginians who are reaching out to my office. We were able to facilitate one Richmond area resident getting home from Dubai on a flight a couple of days back. And so it’s sort of dealing with that. But what worries me a little bit more is that some of the professionals at embassies and consuls are not being told to come home. And they’re sort of there, and often their security presence is not what we wish it would be. So we have to pay close attention to them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about the homeland now. We’re in this fourth week of a partial homeland security shutdown. That means people at the Coast Guard, Secret Service, and TSA are not getting paid. But ICE and CBP are still funded. Given that the pressure from Democrats isn’t affecting the agencies where Democrats want to see policy change, is this really an effective strategy?
SEN. KAINE: Well, we have said to the Republicans, we’ve worked out funding for all those agencies other than ICE and CBP. Let’s just pass those funding bills. Let’s confine the ICE and CBP reform discussion just to those two agencies and fund the others. Thus far, Republicans have blocked those efforts. We want to fund TSA, FEMA, Coast Guard and CISA. We want to fund those agencies. And we have a funding agreement that’s already been negotiated between both parties and both houses. So let’s do that. And then ICE and CBP, the Republicans, gave them money last summer. They’re not running out of money. We can continue the reform discussion there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I ask because CBS obtained a Homeland Security critical incident note that cites Iranian religious leaders issuing fatwas, calling on Muslims to avenge the supreme leader’s death. DHS says that, you know, in the past, these kind of fatwas haven’t really inspired attacks necessarily but–
SEN. KAINE: –But you’ve got to be worried about it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –But you’ve got to be worried about it in this moment in time. So isn’t there a good argument to be made to move on this standoff, to end it?
SEN. KAINE: I completely agree. Let’s fund all these agencies that don’t have funds right now, and let’s confine the ICE and CBP discussion to what are the reforms necessary.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why isn’t that happening?
SEN. KAINE: Well, we’ve offered this on the floor, and the Republicans have thus far rejected. They’ve said, you’ve got to fund everything or nothing. And we said, we’ve agreed on all the other agencies. Let’s do that. But ICE and CBP need reforms. We’ve made that very, very plain, and American citizens want there to be reforms. And so that is the focus right now. And they do have enough money because the Republicans provided to them last summer in the reconciliation bill.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We saw Secretary Noem lose her job this week. You’ve said you do regret having voted for her–
SEN. KAINE: –Big mistake–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –you were one of the Democrats who did–
SEN. KAINE: –she was a governor. Governors are often good cabinet secretaries. But what we learned, and this bears going forward, is that she wasn’t calling the shots. Stephen Miller is calling the shots. And as long as he is calling the shots without reforms, this is going to continue to be a very, very rogue, renegade department.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, do you need to see and hear something from Senator Markwayne Mullin to get you to vote for him if you’re saying he’s just going to be basically a puppet of Stephen Miller?
SEN. KAINE: That’s our fear. So he could demonstrate otherwise. But what we want to see is not just the change in the nameplate on the door. We want to see reforms to the way ICE and CB- CBP operates. They should operate like local law enforcement does, not invading people’s homes without warrants, body cameras, not wearing masks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Administrative, not judicial warrants, right?
SEN. KAINE: Yes–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –that they use.
SEN. KAINE: Well, for homes, I would say judicial warrants, I think that would be important for invading people’s homes. These are basic principles that our local law enforcement agencies live by. The Ashland town police lives by them. We should ask our federal agencies to do exactly the same thing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re on armed services as well.
SEN. KAINE: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Pentagon may be looking at a supplemental budget request to fund this new war in the Middle East. CSIS estimates the first 100 hours of the war cost nearly $4 billion. Have you heard an estimate on cost? Where are we on this supplemental? Will it get any Democratic support?
SEN. KAINE: We don’t know that the White House is sending a supplemental. So we had a classified briefing the other day, and the topic came up. What I can say, and it’s not classified, is the administration said they haven’t made a decision. My goals right now are twofold, stop this war, which I view as both illegal and profoundly unwise, and protect our troops. If a supplemental comes over, I’m gonna be looking to see, okay, how does it square with those goals? Protecting the troops is key. That’s one of the reasons I want to stop the war. I think they’re just exposed to a completely unnecessary risk by what President Trump has done. So we’ll look at a supplemental if they send one to see, okay, how does it accomplish those goals?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did they tell you what that’s dependent on? Why don’t they know if they need more money? Is it the duration of time of the conflict?
SEN. KAINE: I think that’s the issue. You traditionally don’t ask for a supplemental halfway through because you might ask for an inadequate amount. I think they may not want to ask for a supplemental because they’re trying to avoid debates and votes in Congress on the Iran war right now. I put up a war powers vote that I lost earlier this week. But I can assure you, I’m not going away. We have other means to have a debate and discussion about whether this war is in the U.S.’s interest after 25 years of war in the Middle East. They may want to avoid a vote on that and are trying to delay it for that reason. They’ll make that call, and we have to look at the content.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Very quickly, I want to ask you about some of the Americans that are still being held in Iran, in Evin Prison. One of them, Reza Valizadeh, a journalist. One of them, Kamran Hekmati, a 70-year-old man. Do you have any idea what is being done to protect them or stop them from being retaliated against?
SEN. KAINE: I do not, and I fear about that. Look, if school kids are being killed in bombing, likely U.S. bombing, although the president and the secretary of defense are now trying to invent a claim that it was Iran. If school kids are being killed, I worry about the fate of U.S. pris- U.S. citizens who are being held prisoners there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we know the military is investigating that, Secretary Hegseth has said, in regard to the girls’ school. We have to leave it there. Senator, thank you for your time.
SEN. KAINE: Glad to be with you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We will be right back.
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