乌克兰驻美大使奥尔加·斯特凡尼什娜访谈实录


2026年3月8日《面对国家》节目(玛格丽特·布伦南主持)

以下是2026年3月8日在《面对国家》节目中播出的对乌克兰驻美国大使奥尔加·斯特凡尼什娜的采访实录。


玛格丽特·布伦南:我们现在转向乌克兰战争,以及乌克兰驻美国大使奥尔加·斯特凡尼什娜。欢迎回到《面对国家》。

乌克兰驻美大使奥尔加·斯特凡尼什娜:布伦南,谢谢你邀请我。

玛格丽特·布伦南:所以,对乌克兰最大的威胁之一是俄罗斯长期以来向贵国发射的弹道导弹。解决方案是美国的“爱国者”防空系统和拦截弹。如你所知,这类武器目前供应短缺,而美国在海湾地区的盟友也表示他们同样面临供应不足的问题,需要这些装备。你的总统表示他担心美国会减少对乌克兰的防空支持。这对贵国来说是多大的问题?

斯特凡尼什娜大使:谢谢你,布伦南,提出这个问题。当然,我们也在公开讨论此事,同时也进行了非公开的磋商。但最重要的是,我们看到目前伊朗局势的发展是十年来全球舞台上最重要的事态。因此,资源短缺不应成为问题。我们相信美国国防工业有能力确保所有战线都得到保障。乌克兰有资源和能力采购更多装备,我们正在积极探索可行方案。但你知道,我们最近又遭遇了4架“见证者-136”无人机袭击乌克兰民用建筑的事件——这之所以可能发生,是因为伊朗三年前就成为了俄罗斯侵略行动的战略支持者。我们看到廉价技术的介入造成的危害,我们已准备好应对措施。

玛格丽特·布伦南:我在节目早些时候问过能源部长克里斯·赖特同样的问题,因为俄罗斯和伊朗在此方面是盟友,他们进行资源和技术交易,在很多方面结盟。他似乎表示他们并非主要因素,但你称他们是直接参与者。

斯特凡尼什娜大使:当然,他们绝对是关键因素。“见证者”无人机技术的开发就是为了攻击平民、打击士气、造成平民伤亡。它已经造成数百名乌克兰儿童死亡,无数家庭破碎,这是对战争的战略支持。俄罗斯多年来一直投资于伊朗、委内瑞拉、叙利亚等国的政权,而非双边关系或发展投资。因为他们认为像伊朗现在这样采取果断行动是不可能的,过去在委内瑞拉也是如此,几年前在叙利亚更是如此。现在他们失去了这些影响力来源,实力削弱。但我们不能忘记,乌克兰已经证明俄罗斯与这些国家没有本质区别,只是规模更大。而且,我们从特朗普总统的新政策中看到了新的现实,这让俄罗斯非常恐惧。

玛格丽特·布伦南:你的总统称美国要求乌克兰向其提供反无人机技术,这项技术何时能到位?何时能投入使用?

斯特凡尼什娜大使:我们比世界上任何人都清楚危机时刻的需求。当我们看到海湾国家民众正在遭受死亡威胁时,我们提出的是立即行动和反应。我们能够保障天空安全,提供防空能力,因为乌克兰军民拥有相关知识和经验。乌克兰武装部队的能力不仅包括无人机,还涵盖整个作战体系——局势每周都在变化,需要快速反应的机制,而这正是乌克兰在全球范围内独有的优势。

玛格丽特·布伦南:所以,派遣顾问提供帮助?听起来是特殊……

斯特凡尼什娜大使:不仅是顾问,还包括能力支持。乌克兰的无人机能力不仅是设备本身,更是一整套作战体系。局势每周都在变化,需要快速反应的人员和机制,而这正是乌克兰在全球范围内独有的优势。

玛格丽特·布伦南:几天前,特朗普总统称普京已准备好达成协议,并表示泽连斯基总统必须“行动起来”完成协议,还称他是“乌克兰的P.T.巴纳姆(指擅长炒作的商人)”。尽管乌克兰正帮助美国,双方关系似乎仍很紧张,这是怎么回事?

斯特凡尼什娜大使:我认为几分钟的讨论不足以全面分析。但我们通过行动评估局势:美国仍通过机制向乌克兰提供军事装备,特朗普总统最近对俄罗斯实施了严厉制裁。我们已经与美俄进行三方对话以结束战争,这些都是重要进展。对我们来说,最重要的是能够保卫自己,保护城市,而我们正在尽最大努力利用美国的支持做到这一点。我们非常感谢特朗普总统的诸多举措,尽管有时的言论并不清晰或积极,但乌克兰人民经历了太多苦难,不会被几句言论干扰。我们深知,乌克兰是世界上最渴望结束战争的国家。

玛格丽特·布伦南:你有什么证据表明俄罗斯正在帮助伊朗打击美国盟友?

斯特凡尼什娜大使:有一些信息已经披露,但我们不会在媒体上公开分享。不过我可以保证,不仅是乌克兰,北约体系内的许多国家都掌握大量信息和情报资源。这些信息已提供给所有盟友和伙伴,包括美国。这些信息是确凿无疑的,不存在模糊地带。

玛格丽特·布伦南:但这超出了目标信息分享的范畴,而哥伦比亚广播公司已经报道过?

斯特凡尼什娜大使:我不便评论,但俄罗斯多年来一直支持伊朗、委内瑞拉、叙利亚等国的政权,这种合作促成了俄罗斯本土的产业发展。

玛格丽特·布伦南:大使,感谢你今天抽出时间。

Transcript: Olga Stefanishyna, Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” March 8, 2026

2026-03-08T12:47:00-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of the interview with Olga Stefanishyna, Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on March 8, 2026.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to the war in Ukraine, and Ukraine’s ambassador to the United States, Olga Stefanishyna. Welcome back to Face the Nation.

UKRAINIAN AMBASSADOR OLGA STEFANISHYNA: Well, Margaret, thank you for having me.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, one of the biggest threats to Ukraine has been Russia’s ballistic missiles that it has been firing into your country for some time. The solution has been the Patriot system, the American interceptors. They are in short supply, as you well know, and now America’s allies in the Gulf tell us that they are also in short-supply there and they need them. Your president said he is concerned America is going to reduce its air defense support for Ukraine. How much of a problem is this for your country?

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: Well, thank you, Margaret, for asking this question. Of course, we have been talking about that publicly as well and have been having non-public discussions. But the most important thing that we see that, you know, the events happening right now with the war in Iran have been so resolute that probably these are the most-important developments on a global arena over a decade. So, no shortages of means should be an issue. And we’re sure that the American defense industry is capable of making sure that all the fronts are covered. Ukraine has the resources and ability to procure more, and we are looking forward for exploring the options, how to do it. But also, you know, we ended up with four 300 Shahed drones over the houses of Ukraine, which was only possible because Iran has been a strategic enabler of the Russian aggression three years ago, and we see what the involvement of cheap technologies is, and we have been ready to contribute.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I asked that earlier in the program of the Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, because Russia and Iran have been allied here. They have been trading resources and technology. They are allied in many ways. He seemed to say they were not really a factor. You say they are directly one.

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: Well, I mean, they are absolutely a factor, because basically the Shahed drone technology was developed to attack people, to demoralize population, to cause the losses among civilians. So, it killed, like, hundreds of Ukrainian kids, so many families, and this was a strategic enabler of war. And Russia has been- Russia were not investing in bilateral relations or development or investments. They were investing in regimes like Iran, Venezuela, and Syria, just because they thought it’s not possible to have the resolute action as it is now taking place with Iran and as it was before in Venezuela. And it was not possible a couple of years ago with Syria. So, they are deprived of means of their influence, they are weaker. But also we should not forget that Ukraine has shown that Russia is no different from all of these countries. It’s just bigger, and we see that, you know, the experience which is being gained right now, and the new reality which is been formed by President Trump also paves the way, the new reality for the Russians, and I’m sure they’re really, really afraid of it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, your president said he was asked by the United States to provide anti-drone technology that Ukraine has to America. When does that arrive? When will that be operational?

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: So, you know, we understand more than anybody in this world what is needed in a moment of crisis. What is needed when you see when your people are dying just across so many cities of the Gulf countries. And what we suggested is the immediate action and immediate reaction. So, we can secure the skies. We can provide the air defense because we have so much knowledge. And these are only Ukrainian people, Ukrainian armed forces who have this knowledge and capability, so we are able to provide it to the United States and the Gulf countries and this is what we did. We are not going to stand aside knowing that people are dying because we know how painful it is and we will do everything we can to make sure that this resolute action is ending up with something that is called positive.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, sending advisors to help. It sounds like special–

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: And also capabilities. So, it’s the drone capabilities of Ukraine is not only the drone or the people, it’s the whole spectrum of actions you’re taking, because situation is changing every week and you need to have people and the mechanism which allow to react immediately and this is what only Ukraine has at the entire planet.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So just a few days ago, President Trump said he thinks Vladimir Putin is ready to make a deal. And he said that Volodymyr Zelensky, your president, has to get on the ball, and he has to get a deal done. And he referred to him as a P.T. Barnum of Ukraine. It seems like the relationship is still really tense, even though you’re talking about Ukraine helping the United States. What’s going on here?

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: Well, I mean, I think definitely a couple of minutes of this discussion is not enough for that. But I think we’re assessing the situation by actions. And the actions are that there is a mechanism where Ukraine still can get access to American military equipment. President Trump has released significant sanctions to the Russian Federation over the last months. And also we are in dialogue already trilaterally with the United States and Russians on ending the war. All of this is a very important development and we are looking forward for their success. But for us the most important thing is that we are able to defend ourselves and secure our cities and we’re doing that to the extent we can with the American support. And we have never been too tired to give credit to President Trump for so many important things he did. Although the rhetorics we hear sometimes is not something that really very clear or very positive. But we’re a tough country, we’re tough people, we have been through so much that a couple of words is not really something that can distract us, and we know what we know, that Ukraine is a country in the world which really wants the war over more than anybody, and this is where we stand.

MARGARET BRENNAN: What evidence do you have that Russia is helping Iran in its war right now on these American allies?

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: Well, some information has been provided. It’s not something that we would want to share, you know, in a media or go public with. But I can also assure you that it’s not only Ukraine. There are, like, a lot of countries who have a lot information and a disposal and intel community is very well developed across all the NATO formats. So whatever information is there, it’s already at the disposal of, you know, all allies and partners, including the United States. And. I’m sure this is an information which is black and white. It’s nothing which could be called gray.

MARGARET BRENNAN: But it goes beyond sharing targeting information, which CBS has reported?

AMB. STEFANISHYNA: I’m not sure that I could really comment on that, but I think we should look also in the context that Russia has been supporting the regimes of the countries I’ve mentioned, like Venezuela, like Syria, like Iran, for years, and this partnership was possible and evolved in building the productions in the Russian Federation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Ambassador, thank you for your time today.

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