2026-06-21T11:00:25.703Z / https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/21/politics/brian-schatz-senate-democrats-trump
多位人士认为,布莱恩·沙茨参议员将于明年接任民主党党团第二号职位,他向唐纳德·特朗普总统发出警告:如果民主党在今年秋季实现他们期望的选举突破,华盛顿的政治生态将大不相同。
“提名者的质量必须立刻提升,因为如果民主党掌控参议院,他们不会让比尔·普尔蒂、小罗伯特·肯尼迪或皮特·赫格西特这类人通过提名确认程序,”他在接受CNN记者马努·拉朱采访时说道,同时列出了特朗普政府中几位备受争议的任命人选,这些人选此前未获得民主党议员的任何信任票。
在共和党凭借微弱多数席位花了两年时间推动特朗普的立法议程后,民主党希望特朗普日益下滑的支持率能帮助他们拿下参众两院控制权,并迎来国会山新一代领导人。
尽管每当被问及可能的晋升时,沙茨都会迷信地敲敲木头,但外界普遍认为他很可能在明年接替即将退休的迪克·德宾参议员,出任民主党党鞭。
在接受《周日内幕政治》专访时,这位来自夏威夷的民主党人阐述了一套激进却务实的应对策略:如果他在明年民主党多数党中出任第二号职位,将如何与特朗普政府博弈。
“能找到共同点的地方就寻求共识,必要时就坚守立场,”他说,“涉及我们的核心价值观、美国核心价值观时,那将是一场硬仗。”
这场硬仗可能发生在多个议题上,比如确认特朗普可能提名的第四名最高法院大法官,或是应对部分民主党议员提出的第三次弹劾总统的威胁。
特朗普第一任期内的部分提名人选仅获得了极少民主党支持,这些支持基本都来自前西弗吉尼亚州参议员乔·曼钦。沙茨明确表示,如果特朗普有机会再次提名最高法院大法官,民主党设置的门槛将会更高。
“我们定会切实履行咨询与同意的职责,严肃对待这一程序,”他誓言,“我认为他们无法强行通过任何人选。”
沙茨目前已是参议院民主党领导层成员,他表示特朗普已经做了“无数件可被弹劾的事”,但他将弹劾问题视为“一个重要的战术问题”。
沙茨指出,由众议院民主党掌控后——届时预计由少数党领袖哈基姆·杰弗里斯领导——众议院将面临诸多抉择。包括是否先弹劾内阁成员,以及在新一届总统竞选正式启动后何时对特朗普采取行动。
“如果他们将弹劾案提交参议院,我认为所有人的投票倾向都将是可预见的。但正因如此,我认为他们应该三思而后行,”他说。
沙茨认为,仅靠战斗精神不足以在全国范围内帮助民主党赢得选举,他呼吁提出“美国的积极愿景”。
他认为医疗保健、关税以及遏制“外交政策冒险主义”是民主党领导的参议院可以反击特朗普政府并争取选民支持的领域。
“民众不支持这场战争的原因是,政府从未费心向民众解释战争的合理性,”沙茨说道,他解释称民主党将推动国会就是否授权特朗普使用军事力量展开投票,以此应对伊朗局势。
尽管前总统乔·拜登在2021年民主党全面掌控华盛顿时曾吹嘘要“回归常态”,但沙茨认为,即便民众对特朗普日益警惕,这也并非美国人当下的期望。
“首先,从机制上来说这或许根本不可能,其次,这实际上也并非民众想要的,”他说。
民主党必须应对近年来困扰该党的整体负面支持率,沙茨将此归咎于外界认为民主党“与民众在经济上面临的困境脱节”。
“物价过高,我们还有一位80岁的总统。我认为民众政治立场开始转变的原因之一是,如今物价更高了,而我们又迎来了一位80岁的总统,”他说。
“我们在重拾曾经拥有的信任方面还有大量工作要做,尤其是在工薪阶层选民中,但我认为我们正朝着这个方向前进:展现出比以往更强的纪律性,更专注于生活成本问题,”他补充道。
尽管如此,他认为选举年的全面议程“被高估了”,并辩称在可能充满激烈竞争的2028年总统初选周期中,民主党将在医疗保健和成本削减等议题上采取最坚定的立场。
“很多人会提出很多提案,但在今年11月之前解决所有这些问题,我现阶段并不特别感兴趣,”他说。
沙茨并未排除有朝一日接替现任少数党领袖查克·舒默的可能性,但他坚称公开谈论这一抱负“令人反感”。
但他与越来越多要求舒默下台的民主党人不同,其中包括多位关键参议院竞选参选人,这些人不满舒默带领民主党党团应对特朗普第二任期的能力。
“听着,候选人为了获胜会做他们需要做的任何事,但批评当权者是很常见的事,不管是南希·佩洛西、米奇·麦康奈尔还是约翰·图恩,”他解释道,并明确表示他100%信任舒默的领导。
许多希望75岁的舒默下台的候选人,都是推动党内代际变革的年轻进步民主党浪潮中的一员。
53岁的沙茨表示,这种转变已经在发生——最近一届参议院民主党 freshman 中,有一半以上年龄在40多岁和50多岁——但民主党渴望的新活力更多与意识形态有关,而非年龄。
“我认为人们寻求的是活力和一种新的行事方式。我不认为他们总是按年龄来评判,”他说。
但用新面貌激励政党并不简单意味着全面向左转,沙茨说道。
“赢得选举的政治联盟的美妙之处在于,在某种程度上,它并不总是合乎逻辑。你会有像费特曼、普拉特纳、桑德斯和乔·曼钦这样的人,”他说。
沙茨以特朗普的“矛盾联盟”为例,该联盟涵盖了传统鹰派保守派和反干预主义右翼人士,帮助他在2024年击败时任副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯。
“这就是如何拼凑出一个获胜联盟的方法:让阵营足够宽泛,允许存在一些非常严重的分歧,”他说。
作为党鞭职位的热门继任者,沙茨很快将负责协调各方立场,比如偶尔会在政府停摆和以色列等议题上与共和党站在一起的鲁莽宾夕法尼亚州参议员约翰·费特曼,以及持进步主义观点、正面临一系列个人丑闻的缅因州民主党参议院候选人格雷厄姆·普拉特纳。
“沟通、沟通、再沟通”将帮助他弥合这些分歧,沙茨说。“夏威夷有句老话:夏威夷的一切都是政治,除了政治本身,政治是关乎人情的。我始终认为,这种层面的政治就是关于人际关系。”
“这有点像社会工作,需要了解人们的动机和动力所在,以及他们为何参与其中。我认为,如果我能坚守岗位,为议员们提供帮助,就能发挥建设性作用。”
Senate’s likely next No. 2 warns Trump if Democrats take the majority: ‘It’s going to be a fight’ on key values
2026-06-21T11:00:25.703Z / https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/21/politics/brian-schatz-senate-democrats-trump
Sen. Brian Schatz, who many believe will take over the No. 2 role in the Democratic caucus next year, has a warning for President Donald Trump: He could be dealing with a very different Washington if Democrats achieve the electoral gains they’re hoping for this fall.
“The quality of the nominees would immediately have to go up, because they’re not going to get people like Bill Pulte or RFK Jr. or Pete Hegseth through the United States Senate if the Democrats run that,” he told CNN’s Manu Raju, listing some of the president’s more controversial administration picks, who have received no votes of confidence from Democrats.
After two years of Republicans fighting to push Trump’s agenda through Congress with their narrow majorities, Democrats hope the president’s dwindling approval numbers will help them secure control over both chambers and usher in a new wave of leaders on Capitol Hill.
Though Schatz superstitiously knocks on wood when his potential ascent is mentioned, he is widely viewed as the likely choice to succeed retiring Sen. Dick Durbin as Democratic whip next year.
In a wide-ranging interview for “Inside Politics Sunday,” the Hawaii Democrat laid out an aggressive, yet pragmatic, approach for taking on Trump if he secures the No. 2 role in a Democratic majority in January.
“I think you find common ground where possible and you stand your ground when necessary,” he said. “When it comes to our core values, core American values, it’s going to be a fight.”
That fight could come over issues such as confirming a potential fourth Trump appointee to the Supreme Court or confronting the threats by some Democrats to impeach the president for a third time.
While some nominees in Trump’s first term received sparse Democratic support, largely from former West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, Schatz made clear the bar could be even higher if the president has the opportunity to make another appointment to the high court.
“We would certainly execute on our role of advice and consent, take it very seriously,” he vowed. “I don’t think they’d be able to ram anybody through.”
Schatz, who already is a member of Senate Democratic leadership, said he believes the president has done “a million impeachable things,” but he weighs the matter of impeachment as an “important tactical question.”
A Democratic-controlled House, presumably led by now-Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, would have choices to make, Schatz noted. Those include whether to impeach Cabinet secretaries first and when to take action against Trump as the next presidential campaign cycle begins in earnest.
“If they moved an impeachment to the Senate, I think it’s very likely predictable how everyone would vote. But for that very reason, I think they should measure twice and cut once,” he said.
It will take more than just a fighting spirit to score Democratic wins across the country, Schatz believes, promoting what he calls “an affirmative vision for America.”
He sees healthcare and tariffs, as well as curbing “foreign policy adventurism,” as areas where a Democratic-led Senate could push back on the Trump administration and win over voters.
“The reason that the public is not behind this war is they never bothered to make the case for it,” Schatz said, explaining that Democrats would approach the war in Iran with a congressional vote over whether to authorize Trump’s use of military force.
While then-President Joe Biden boasted a return to normalcy as Democrats rose to power across Washington in 2021, Schatz doesn’t think that’s what Americans desire now, even as they grow more wary of Trump.
“First of all, that’s probably not even possible, mechanically speaking, but second of all, that’s not actually what people want,” he said.
Democrats must grapple with broad unfavorability ratings that have plagued the party in recent years, which Schatz ascribes to a view of Democrats as “disconnected from what people were going through economically.”
“Prices were too high, and we had an 80-year-old president, and I think one of the reasons that people are starting to turn around politically is that prices are even higher, and we again have an 80-year-old president,” he said.
“We’ve got a lot of work to do in terms of recovering the trust that we once had, especially with working-class voters, but I think we’re on the way to doing that by demonstrating a little bit better discipline, and a little bit better focus than usual on the cost of living,” he continued.
Still, he thinks sweeping election-year agendas are “overrated,” arguing the party will litigate the strongest positions on issues such as healthcare and cost reductions during a likely raucous 2028 presidential primary cycle.
“Lots of people will have lots of proposals, but I’m not particularly interested at this stage in settling all those questions before November,” he said.
Schatz is leaving the door open to one day becoming now-Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s successor, but insisted it would be “obnoxious” to talk about that aspiration publicly.
But he’s far from the growing chorus of Democrats, including many running in key Senate races, who want Schumer to be ousted over discontent with his ability to guide his caucus through Trump’s second term.
“Look, candidates are going to do whatever they need to do to win, but it is very common, whether it was Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnell or John Thune, to be critical of the people in power,” he explained, affirming he has 100% confidence in Schumer’s leadership.
Many of those candidates who want to see 75-year-old Schumer go are among a younger wave of progressive Democrats urging generational change within the party.
Schatz, 53, said some of that shift is already happening — more than half of the most recent class of Senate Democratic freshmen are in their 40s and 50s — but the fresh energy Democrats are craving has more to do with ideology than age.
“What I think people are looking for is vigor and a sort of new way of doing things. I don’t think they’re always looking at the question chronologically,” he said.
But inspiring the party with newness doesn’t simply mean a broad pivot to the left, Schatz said.
“The beauty of a winning political coalition is, at some level, it doesn’t always make sense. There are going to be, you know, your Fettermans and your Platners and your Bernies and your Joe Manchins,” he said.
Schatz pointed to Trump’s “contradictory coalition,” spanning from traditional hawkish conservatives to anti-interventionist right-wingers, that helped him defeat then-Vice President Kamala Harris in 2024.
“That’s how you cobble together a winning coalition, is to allow the tent to be wide enough so that you actually have some very serious disagreements,” he said.
As heir apparent to the whip role, Schatz could soon be in charge of attempting to align the likes of Sen. John Fetterman, a brash Pennsylvania Democrat who has occasionally sided with Republicans on issues such as government shutdowns and Israel, and Graham Platner, Maine’s Democratic Senate nominee who holds progressive views and is weathering a series of personal scandals.
“Talking, talking, talking” would help him bridge those gaps, Schatz said. “There’s an old saying in Hawaii that everything in Hawaii is political except politics, which is personal, and I continue to think politics at this level is about relationships.”
“It’s a little bit of social work, it’s a little bit of understanding how people are motivated and animated and why they’re here, and I think if I can stay there and be useful to members, then I can play a constructive role.”
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