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文字记录:参议员克里斯·墨菲做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南的直面国家》节目,2026年5月31日

2026-05-31T11:38:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻

以下是康涅狄格州民主党参议员克里斯·墨菲的采访文字记录,该采访于2026年5月31日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南的直面国家》节目中播出。


玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们现在继续采访康涅狄格州民主党参议员克里斯·墨菲。他是新书《公共善的危机:在破碎的美国为意义与联结而战》的作者。我们在康涅狄格州哈特福德与他连线。早上好,参议员。

参议员克里斯·墨菲(民主党-康涅狄格州): 早上好。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们稍后再谈你的书,但先回到我们之前聊到的泽连斯基总统的话题。你认为两党是否有足够的支持,促使五角大楼重新调配一些“爱国者”导弹系统,让乌克兰能够击落所有来袭的俄罗斯导弹?

参议员墨菲: 是的,我对此表示怀疑。不幸的是,我认为从一开始整件事的脉络就很清晰。唐纳德·特朗普根本不想为支持乌克兰采取必要行动,而共和党国会党团总会追随他的领导。一份两党共同支持的制裁法案已经在参议院搁置了一年半,该法案旨在收紧对俄罗斯经济的制裁,加大他们发动战争的成本。但唐纳德·特朗普基本上对该法案拥有否决权,他不允许参议院共和党人推动该法案通过。他还扣押了国会拨款用于援助乌克兰的4亿美元资金,尽管参议院共和党人多次公开和私下提出抗议,但他一分钱都没花。所以我认为,归根结底,唐纳德·特朗普已经打定主意不想帮助乌克兰,而共和党议员团里似乎没有足够多的人有勇气站出来反对他。我当然希望我错了。这显然是一个关键时刻,乌克兰看起来即将能够发起真正的反攻,所以我衷心希望他们最终能在这个问题上与总统抗衡。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 关于你提到的那4亿美元,赫格斯西国防部长曾表示这笔资金将被拨付,但我们至今没有看到任何动静。我知道你在拨款委员会任职,所以你有机会在相关听证会上提出这些问题。我记得国防部长卢比奥将于周三出席你的委员会的听证会,申请336亿美元的预算。当你向部长提问时,最优先的议题是什么?

参议员墨菲: 最优先的议题是结束伊朗战争。这对美国来说完全是一场灾难。显然,最主要的影响就在美国国内:汽油价格飙升让许多家庭和企业濒临破产,有些地方的油价已经涨到每加仑6美元,但这对美国来说更是一种耻辱,也让伊朗变得更加强大。当然,对俄罗斯也有影响。我们不得不暂停对俄罗斯石油的制裁,以确保他们的石油能够进入市场,因此伊朗战争的后果不仅仅是美国人丧生、物价上涨,俄罗斯也因此变得更加强大。我们实际上是在资助他们的战争行动,所以我们必须结束这场伊朗战争。几个月来一直有相关协议的传闻,我认为协议的条款本身就相当屈辱,但在当前的情况下,无论条款是什么,我们都需要结束这场战争。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 关于制裁的话题我们已经聊过了,还有泽连斯基总统,你可以在网上看到完整的采访文字记录。但我知道白宫对此予以反驳,称这笔资金对俄罗斯的实际收益来说并不重要。显然你并不认同这一点。

参议员墨菲: 是的,我认为仅从道德层面来看,无论这笔钱是否会产生决定性影响,我们帮助俄罗斯资助这场战争的想法都荒谬至极。这可不是一笔小数目。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员墨菲: 由于我们放松制裁,俄罗斯获得了数十亿美元的额外资金,这让他们能够购买那些即将袭击基辅的导弹。我们对俄罗斯的帮助正在导致民众丧生。霍尔木兹海峡被封锁已经够糟糕的了,这损害了我们的经济,而我们却因为伊朗战争在帮助俄罗斯,这无异于雪上加霜,完全不可接受。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 你刚刚提到了我们聊到的这本新书,我知道你在最近的一次采访中说,2028年的民主党总统竞选人都在给你发信息,探讨书中的一些理念。我们最近的哥伦比亚广播公司民调显示,62%的登记选民对民主党持负面看法。那么你会如何推广这些理念?民主党需要重点强调哪些核心信息来扭转党派形象?

参议员墨菲: 是的,这本书实际上是在探讨导致唐纳德·特朗普上台的国家精神危机。如今这个国家的人们感到愈发孤独、愈发迷茫、愈发疲惫:经济压榨劳动者,文化告诉人们只要购买商品就能获得幸福,而非让他们积极参与公民生活。这本书讲述了我们需要开展的基础性工作:整顿经济,让人们感受到自身的价值和目标;改革民主制度,让人们感受到自己拥有权力。这就是这本书的核心内容,关乎这个国家的精神状态。我认为民主党需要明白:民众对我们的政治被金钱绑架感到愤怒,他们觉得自己无法掌控生活,因为他们认为所有人都腐败。他们不只是——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员墨菲:——认为唐纳德·特朗普腐败,他们觉得政界所有人都腐败。所以民主党需要更响亮地宣传我们将如何铲除亿万富翁和企业资金对政治的影响,因为如果我们不同时告诉民众我们将如何改革民主制度,民众就不会相信我们能修复经济。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 那么,关于精神和品格这一点,格雷厄姆·普拉特纳的竞选团队周六向哥伦比亚广播公司证实,这位缅因州参议院候选人曾向妻子以外的女性发送过露骨的色情短信,这还不算他过往的其他争议。你认为他能通过品格考验吗?

参议员墨菲: 是的,我没有像其他人那样密切关注这个事件,但格雷厄姆·普拉特纳曾为国效力,也为社区服务过,他也确实犯过错误。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员墨菲: 他也已经承认了。品格还包括挺身而出对抗那些让国家破产、腐蚀国家的人。而这场缅因州的参议院竞选,将形成鲜明对比:一边是为国家出生入死的人,另一边是在白宫里纵容国家道德沦丧的人。所以他确实承认自己犯了错误,但我认为缅因州的这场竞选将清晰地展现出二者的区别:一边是毕生守护民众的人,另一边似乎是在庇护唐纳德·特朗普的腐败行为的人。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 还有,我想问问你,就在本期节目开播前,我的同事丽塔·布拉弗在《哥伦比亚广播公司周日早间新闻》中采访了前第一夫人吉尔·拜登,她在新书中谈到了那段臭名昭著的2024年总统辩论,当时的现任总统完全无法回答问题。她在书中透露了很多细节,包括她当时以为丈夫中风了,因为他的表述让人无法理解。她承认事后她对丈夫说,他这次确实搞砸了,但这是她现在才披露的内容。此前包括在本节目中,民主党人多次强烈表示,拜登总统的认知能力没有问题。你认为我们该如何让民众相信民主党现在说的是实话?

参议员墨菲: 是的,听着,我认为民主党确实必须坦诚面对2024年我们犯下的错误。显然,回过头来看,乔·拜登当时应该退出竞选,我们本应发起一场开放的党内初选。在这本书里,我坦率地谈到了我们的政治已经变得多么部落化,共和党人愿意为唐纳德·特朗普的腐败行为开脱,因为他们的整个身份认同都建立在所属政党之上。我认为这种情况在民主党这边也同样存在,我们也常常愿意对本党领导人的错误视而不见。这本书指出,解决这个问题不只是政治层面的事。我们实际上需要为人们在政治之外建立更健康的身份认同体系,让他们从工作或与本地社区的联结中找到人生目标。这会让我们的政治不再那么部落化——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的。

参议员墨菲:——或许也能让双方在认为己方政党出错时,敢于站出来反对。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的,墨菲参议员,我们的时间到了。感谢你今天分享的见解。我们很快将继续带来《直面国家》节目的更多内容。

Transcript: Sen. Chris Murphy on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” May 31, 2026

2026-05-31T11:38:00-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on May 31, 2026.


MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re back now with Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy. He is the author of a new book, Crisis of the Common Good: The Fight for Meaning and Connection in a Broken America. He joins us from Hartford, Connecticut. Good morning to you, Senator.

SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY (D-CT): Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to talk about your book in a moment, but just to pick up on where we left it with President Zelenskyy, do you believe that there is enough bipartisan support to press the Pentagon to reallocate some of these patriots, so he can take down all the incoming Russian missiles?

SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, I doubt it. Unfortunately, I think the story here has been pretty simple from the start. Donald Trump does not want to do what is necessary to support Ukraine, and the Republican Party will always follow his lead. We’ve had a bipartisan sanctions bill sitting on the Senate floor for a year and a half that would tighten the screws on the Russian economy, make it harder for them to fund the war. Donald Trump has basically had a veto on that bill. He won’t allow Senate Republicans to bring it forward. He’s been sitting on $400 million that Congress allocated to help Ukraine. He hasn’t spent a dime of it, despite protests loudly, publicly and privately, from Senate Republicans. So I just think ultimately Donald Trump has decided he does not want to help Ukraine, and there doesn’t seem to be enough courage in the Republican caucus to fight back. I mean, I hope I’m wrong about that. This is obviously a critical moment where Ukraine actually looks like it is about to be able to take a real offensive position, and so I’m rooting that they will finally stand up to the President on this.

MARGARET BRENNAN: To your point, on the 400 million, Hegseth, the Secretary of War said that that was to be released, but we haven’t seen anything more. I know you sit on the Appropriations Committee, so you have a chance to ask some of these questions, potentially of Secretary Rubio, when he sits before you on, I believe, Wednesday, asking for $33.6 billion budget. What’s the top priority when you do get to ask questions of the secretary?

SEN. MURPHY: Well, the top priority is ending the war in Iran. This has been an absolute disaster for the United States. Obviously, the primary impact is here at home, as families and businesses are being ruined by gas prices. They’re $6 a gallon in some places, but it’s just been a humiliation for the United States, and it’s made Iran more powerful. Of course, there’s an impact in Russia as well. We’ve had to suspend sanctions on Russian oil in order to get their oil on the market, so the consequence of the Iran war is not just that Americans are dying, the prices are going up, but Russia is also getting more powerful. We’re literally funding their war effort, so we need the Iran war to end. There’s been this talk of a deal for months and months and months. I think the terms of the deal are pretty humiliating in and of themselves, but we just need this war done, no matter the terms, at this point.

MARGARET BRENNAN: On the point about the sanctions, we talked about that, President Zelensky, and you can see that full transcript online, but I know that the White House pushes back and says the money isn’t that significant in terms of what Russia is able to pocket. You obviously disagree.

SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, I mean, I just think from a moral perspective, no matter whether the money is a difference maker, the idea that we are helping Russia fund this war is ridiculous. It’s not small potatoes.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. MURPHY: Russia is getting billions of additional dollars because of our sanctions relief, that’s allowing them to buy some of the missiles that are on the verge of raining down on Kyiv. People are dying because of our help for Russia. So, it’s just bad enough that the Strait of Hormuz is closed and it’s hurting our economy. The fact that we are adding insult to injury by the war in Iran helping Russia is just unacceptable.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You have written this book that we mentioned, and I know that you said about it in a recent interview that 2028 Democratic contenders are texting you, talking to you about some of the ideas in it. Some of our recent CBS polling found that 62% of registered voters view the Democratic party in a negative light, so how do you take these ideas, and what’s the main one Democrats need to hammer home to redirect the party?

SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, this book is really about the spiritual crisis in the country that led to Donald Trump. This is a country that is feeling more lonely, more adrift, more exhausted by an economy that abuses workers, a culture in which we tell people that they can make themselves happy by just buying things instead of being active citizens, and so it’s a book about the underlying work that we have to do to unrig the economy, so that people feel purpose and value, and unrig our democracy, so that people feel power. And that’s what the book really is about, the emotional state of the country. Here’s what I think Democrats need to do: they need to understand that the people are furious at the fact that our politics have become captured, and people are feeling out of control of their lives because they think we’re all corrupt. They don’t think–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. MURPHY: –Donald Trump is just corrupt; they think everybody in politics is corrupt. So, Democrats need to be much louder about the ways that we’re going to get billionaire and corporate money out of our politics, because people don’t believe us when we say we’re going to fix the economy–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.

SEN. MURPHY: –if we don’t also tell them how we’re going to fix our democracy.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, well, to that point about spirit and character, the campaign for Graham Platner confirmed to CBS on Saturday that the Maine Senate candidate had sent sexually explicit texts to women other than his wife. This is in addition to other past controversies. Does he pass the character test?

SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, I mean, I have not followed this story as closely as others have, but Graham Platner is somebody that served our country, he served his community, he’s also made mistakes.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. MURPHY: And he has admitted that. Character also involves standing up to people who are bankrupting and corrupting this country, and this race is going to be a contrast between somebody that has put his life on the line for this country against somebody that is literally empowering the moral hollowing out of our nation from the White House. So he certainly admitted that he has made mistakes, but I think this is going to be a pretty clear contrast in Maine between somebody who has spent his life protecting us, versus somebody who seems to be protecting Donald Trump’s corruption.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you know, I want to ask you as well about an interview that aired right before this program with my colleague Rita Braver on CBS Sunday Morning. She interviewed the former First Lady Jill Biden about the new book she wrote, in which she talks about the infamous 2024 debate, where the then-president really couldn’t answer questions. She says a lot of things, including that she thought her husband was having a stroke because she- he was incomprehensible. She admits that she said to him afterwards that he really screwed up, but that’s what she’s revealing now. Democrats, stridently, including on this program, said time and again that his cognitive abilities were fine. How do you convince the public that Democrats are telling the truth now?

SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, listen, I think Democrats do have to be honest about the mistakes that we made in 2024 Obviously, in retrospect, Joe Biden should have stepped away from that race. We should have had an open contest. And in this book, I frankly talk about how tribal our politics have become, how Republicans are willing to excuse Donald Trump’s corruption, because their entire identity structure is built around their party. And I think that happens on the Democratic side as well, where we are willing to look the other way too often at mistakes that our own party leaders are making, and this book says that that’s not just up to politics to fix that. We actually have to create more healthy identity structures for people outside of politics, so they see their purpose through their work or through their connection to a local community. And that makes our politics less tribal–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.

SEN. MURPHY: –and maybe allows us on both sides to stand up to our party when we think they’ve gone wrong.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, Senator Murphy, we have to leave it there. Thank you for your insights today. We’ll be right back with more Face the Nation.

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