文字实录：俄亥俄州共和党众议员迈克·特纳做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目，2026年4月12日
2026-04-12T12:20:14-0400 / https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-turner-face-the-nation-transcript-04-12-2026/
以下是俄亥俄州共和党众议员迈克·特纳的采访实录，该采访于2026年4月12日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们现在连线俄亥俄州共和党众议员迈克·特纳。感谢你提前赶回华盛顿和我们进行面对面的访谈。
众议员迈克·特纳： 谢谢。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们先从民调说起，你和现在很多人一样，正在寻求连任。
众议员特纳： 没错。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你看这份民调——64%的美国民众不赞成这场战争，62%的受访者认为总统没有清晰的计划。民众对总统处理经济和通胀的表现也有负面看法。代顿也未能幸免，汽油价格比去年同期上涨了1美元。你要如何向选区的民众解释这场战争是值得的？
众议员特纳： 首先，任何冲突都不会有高支持率。我的意思是，当冲突发生时，没人会说局势得到了妥善处理，因为冲突本身就会带来痛苦。我认为总统已经非常清晰地阐明，这场战争的核心是防止伊朗成为拥有核武器的国家。没人愿意为了更低的油价，而放任伊朗拥有核武器。当副总统万斯站在演讲台上表示，谈判破裂是因为伊朗不愿声明不会研发核武器时，这应该让欧洲乃至全世界都感到警醒。我认为所有人都该明白，这才是这场冲突真正的意义所在。这也驳斥了沃纳参议员此前轻描淡写的说法——他认为这不是迫在眉睫的威胁，以及欧洲和全球其他地区很多人持有的观点——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——不过总统说，这只是伊朗的野心。
众议员特纳： 但——国际原子能机构总干事格罗西曾表示，伊朗距离拥有足够制造核弹的材料仅剩下几周时间——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——他说没有证据显示伊朗正在研发核武器，但也不能排除这种可能。
众议员特纳： ——他说——他们只剩下——几周时间。而现在，再也没人能说伊朗没有这种野心了。他们坐下来谈判，已经卷入了这场大规模冲突，却仍不愿声明不会研发——
（对话开始交叉）
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错，而我们的民调显示美国民众——
众议员特纳： ——他们不愿承诺不会研发核武器——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——都支持阻止伊朗拥有核武器。然而，谈判本身就证明了，仅凭军事手段无法摧毁伊朗的核野心，不是吗？
众议员特纳： 不，并非如此，因为谈判仍在进行，而且总统已经——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——什么谈判仍在进行？
众议员特纳： 这场——这场——这场冲突，这场——这场军事行动，还有谈判。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 总统说战争已经打赢了。
众议员特纳： 这场冲突还没有结束。只要一天不结束，伊朗就必须认清现实——还记得伊核协议吗，就是奥巴马当年谈判达成的那份最初的浓缩铀协议，当时他说，我们不会允许伊朗拥有核武器，但我们只是会监视——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——而那时伊朗并没有核武器，现在也没有。
众议员特纳： ——我们会监视他们浓缩铀的进度，直到他们足够接近阈值，然后我们再采取军事行动。欧洲乃至全世界都是这份协议的缔约国。这不仅仅是——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——但总统表示，伊朗仍不愿承诺不会拥有核武器，而且他无法阻止他们——
众议员特纳： ——这不仅仅是美国的问题，就像我们在这场冲突中看到的那样，伊朗用导弹技术向迪戈加西亚岛发射了导弹。这给欧洲敲响了警钟。他们现在拥有的导弹技术已经能够打到欧洲。这是一个恐怖主义政权，我们绝不能允许它拥有核武器。
（对话交叉结束）
玛格丽特·布伦南： 所以你说总统在目标和意图上一直非常明确。但我们的民调显示，美国民众并没有像你一样被说服。我们来梳理一下总统在霍尔木兹海峡问题上的表态：战争伊始的3月3日，他表示美国海军将开始为油轮护航，无论如何，美国将确保全球能源运输畅通。3月9日，他称自己仍在考虑接管该海峡。3月15日，他又表示这是其他国家的问题，盟友会负责处理，或许我们根本不该介入，我们不需要这里的石油，我们自己有很多石油。六天后，他在社交媒体上威胁，如果伊朗不在48小时内开放海峡，美国将袭击伊朗的发电厂。3月26日，他又转而指责盟友，表示对北约感到失望——
众议员特纳： ——玛格丽特，战争中——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——随后他宣布了为期两周的停火，称伊朗已经同意开放海峡——
众议员特纳： ——一场战争是——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——我还没说完。因为昨天，他又——
众议员特纳： ——战争的局势是动态变化的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——表示美国中央司令部宣布将派遣两艘舰艇，为清除水雷创造条件。今天早上，他又说海军将开始封锁海峡，拦截船只。这是最终方案吗？我的意思是，你能理解为什么公众会认为总统没有清晰的战略吗？
众议员特纳： 你的对手——你的对手也有话语权，他们也有自己的立场，而就在昨天，双方还在进行谈判——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 选一个立场？他们几天之内就变卦了——
众议员特纳： 就在昨天，还在进行谈判，而且就在昨天，伊朗还有机会向全世界声明，他们不会研发核武器。你能想象——
（对话开始交叉）
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——但霍尔木兹海峡的问题才是导致代顿汽油价格上涨的原因——
众议员特纳： ——这个最大的恐怖主义政权——一个恐怖主义政权——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——我想问你的正是这个。
众议员特纳： ——拥有核武器。他们一直在浓缩铀——他们一直在浓缩铀，已经达到了国际原子能机构总干事所说的，距离拥有足够制造核弹的材料仅剩下几周时间的程度。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 这场战争爆发以来，国会从未就这个问题举行过听证会。没人会否认这是一个重要议题，但——
众议员特纳： ——已经有多场听证会——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——你和议员们已经开会11天了，众议员——
众议员特纳： ——几十年来，我们一直在就伊朗的核野心举行听证会。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你认为这种对这场战争的监督力度足够吗？
（对话交叉结束）
众议员特纳： 几十年来我们一直在——实际上，我们已经就这个问题举行了机密简报会。现在这是一场 ongoing 的冲突，未来还会有更多的简报会。我认为政府当然可以做得更多，武装服务委员会主席也已经批评国防部需要向国会提供更多信息，但我们已经收到过机密简报。但这场冲突的核心问题是，绝不能允许伊朗拥有核武器，正如副总统在全世界面前指出的那样，伊朗不愿做出相关声明，而这正是昨天谈判破裂的关键所在。这个核心问题已经被多次讨论过。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你知道总统所说的美国海军现在将封锁我们试图开放的霍尔木兹海峡是什么意思吗？这件事有没有向国会做过简报？
众议员特纳： 我认为，嗯——当然没有，因为这是刚刚——刚刚宣布的，就像你今早讨论的那样——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——如果这一直都是清晰战略的一部分，而且是计划中的一环——
众议员特纳： ——清晰的是——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——你们早就应该——
众议员特纳： ——战略中清晰的部分，正如总统所说，霍尔木兹海峡不仅仅是美国的问题，也是欧洲的问题，是全世界的问题，绝不能允许伊朗——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——而总统今天还说，我们必须因此重新审视北约——
众议员特纳： ——绝不能允许伊朗控制海峡。这不仅仅是美国的问题。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——他们布雷了吗？
众议员特纳： 伊朗绝不能自行决定哪些船只可以通行，欧洲、我们的北约盟友以及其他对海峡有利益的国家，都应该参与进来。这不应该只是美国的问题。总统说我们不会任由伊朗决定通行权，这无疑是在呼吁所有盟友和相关各方坐下来共同解决这个问题。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 他们有没有在霍尔木兹海峡布雷？因为总统今天的推文中也提到可能没有。他说——
众议员特纳： ——不，我想你得去问总统。那是他的推文。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但这恰恰说明国会没有——
众议员特纳： ——那是他的推文。——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——就这个问题得到简报。作为监督与政府改革委员会和武装服务委员会的成员，你觉得自己是否充分了解了相关情况？因为美国民众显然没有。
众议员特纳： 总统今天早上刚发的这条推文，所以你得去问总统本人。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们当然希望能采访到总统、国务卿或国防部长，但今天在座的只有他所在政党的议员，我们非常感谢你能回答这些问题。
众议员特纳： 谢谢你，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，我们稍后回来。
Transcript: Rep. Mike Turner on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” April 12, 2026
2026-04-12T12:20:14-0400 / https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-turner-face-the-nation-transcript-04-12-2026/
The following is the transcript of the interview with GOP Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on April 12, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re back now with Republican Congressman Mike Turner. Thank you for coming back to town early to talk to us in person.
REP. MIKE TURNER: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s start on our polling, because you, like many people right now, are running for re-election.
REP. TURNER: Right
MARGARET BRENNAN: You look at these- this poll, 64% of the American people disapprove of the war. 62% say the President has no clear plan. There are these negative perceptions of the president’s handling of the economy and inflation. Dayton isn’t immune. Gas prices up a buck from where they were same time last year. How are you explaining to people in your district that this war is worth it?
REP. TURNER: Well, first off, no- no conflict ever polls well. I mean, when there’s a conflict occurring, no one says it’s being handled well, because you have to go through the conflict. The president has articulated, I think, very well, that this is about ensuring that Iran does not become a nuclear state. And no one is willing to trade lower gas prices for Iran becoming a nuclear state. And when Vice President Vance stood at the podium and said that the negotiations had broken off because Iran was not willing to declare that they would not become a nuclear state. That should have sent a chill, both through Europe and around the world. And I think you know for everyone, because that truly is what this is- is about. That- that puts away what you know, what Senator Warner was trying to dismissively say, that this was not an imminent threat, and what everyone else has been saying in Europe and around the world–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Well the president says its an ambition.
REP. TURNER: But that- that- that this is a an immediate, the IAEA, Grossi the director, had said they were weeks away from having enough material to have a nuclear bomb–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –He said there was no evidence that they were pursuing a nuclear weapon, he couldn’t rule it out.
REP. TURNER: –he said- they were weeks- they were weeks away. And- and now you have it. No longer can people say that they did not- did not have the ambition. Here they are all the way at the table. They have been in this- this massive conflict, and they’re unwilling to say they’re not going to pursue–
(CROSSTALK STARTS)
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes, and the American people in our polling–
REP TURNER: –they’re unwilling to pursue the nuclear weapon–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –are for preventing that. However, the negotiation itself is proof of the fact that militarily, you cannot achieve destruction of nuclear ambition. Is it not?
REP. TURNER: No, it’s not, because they’re still ongoing, and- and the President has–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — What’s ongoing?
REP TURNER: That this- this- this conflict, this- this act, the negotiations.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president said the war’s won.
REP. TURNER: This is- this is not over. And as it’s not over, Iran is going to have to come the realization as- as- remember the JCPOA, the original enrichment deal that Obama had negotiated, where he said, we’re not going to allow them to have a nuclear weapon, but we’re just going to watch–
MARGARET BRENNAN: And they didn’t have a nuclear weapon. And they don’t have a nuclear weapon now.
REP. TURNER: –and we’re gonna watch- and we’re going to watch them enrich until they get close enough, and then we’ll take military action. Europe- everyone was a party to this deal. This is not just–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — But the president’s saying they still won’t agree to not get a nuclear weapon and he can’t stop them–
REP. TURNER: –this is not just a United States issue, as we saw during this conflict where Iran in their missile technology sent a missile all the way to Diego Garcia. This was a wake up call for Europe. They now have missile technology that can reach Europe. This is a regime, a terrorist regime, that we cannot allow to have a nuclear weapon
(CROSSTALK ENDS)
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you said the president has been very clear here in his goals and intent. Our polling shows the American people aren’t persuaded in the same way you are. Let me run through some of the things he said on the Hormuz Strait. At the outset of the war March 3, he said the Navy would begin escorting tankers no matter what, the US will ensure the free flow of energy to the world. March 9, he said he was still thinking about taking it over. March 15, he said it was someone else’s problem. Our allies would take care of it. Maybe we shouldn’t even be there. We don’t need it. We have a lot of oil. Six days later, he threatened online, the U.S. would attack Iran’s power plants if it didn’t open the strait within 48 hours. March 26 he went back to blaming allies, saying he’s disappointed in NATO–
REP. TURNER: – Margaret, in conflict- there’s–
MARGARET BRENNAN: And then he announced the two week cease fire saying Iran had agreed to open strait–
REP. TURNER: –a conflict is–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –I’m not done. Because yesterday, he said–
REP TURNER: –conflict is going to be fluid.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –that CENTCOM announced they’re sending two ships to set the conditions for clearing mines. This morning, he said the Navy is going to start blockading the strait and interdict ships. Is that the final answer? I mean, can you see here why the public doesn’t think the president has a clear strategy?
REP. TURNER: Your adversary- your adversary has a vote in this too, and they have a position in it too which there were just negotiations, just yesterday–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Pick a position? They changed within days–
REP. TURNER: Just yesterday, there were negotiations and- and literally, Iran had an opportunity just yesterday to say to the world, we’re not going to pursue a nuclear weapon. Can you imagine–
(START CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: — But on the Strait of Hormuz which is the that is causing your gas prices in Dayton to go up–
REP. TURNER: — the largest exporter of the terrorist– a terrorist regime–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — is what I’m asking you.
REP. TURNER: — Having a nuclear weapon. They have been enriching- they have been enriching uranium. They’ve been enriching to the point where the IAEA, the head of the IAEA, said they were weeks away from having enough to have a nuclear weapon.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There has not been a single congressional hearing on this issue. No one’s disagreeing it’s an important one. Since this war began–
REP. TURNER: — There have multiple hearings —
MARGARET BRENNAN: — you have been in session for 11 days, Congressman–
REP. TURNER: — there have been hearings on Iran’s nuclear ambitions for decades.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think this is adequate oversight of this war?
(END CROSSTALK)
REP. TURNER: There have been this war decades of- well, actually, we have had classified briefings on this issue. Now this is, this is an ongoing conflict. There are going to be continued briefings. I think the administration certainly could, and the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee has chastised the department on needing to provide Congress with more information, but we’ve had classified briefings. But the issue that’s the crux of this, that Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon, which is what the Vice President stood before the world and said that Iran is unwilling to declare, just yesterday, which was the breaking point of the negotiations, has been the subject of hearings.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you know what the president means when he says that the United States Navy is now going to be blockading the Strait of Hormuz that we are trying to open? Has that been briefed to Congress?
REP. TURNER: I think, well- of course not because it was just- it was just announced, as you were discussing this morning–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Well if it was a clear strategy all along and this was part of the plan–
REP. TURNER: — What is clear–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — you would get–
REP. TURNER: — What is clear in the strategy, as the President has said, is the straits are not just a United States issue. It is also a Europe issue. It is a worldwide issue, and Iran should not be permitted–
MARGARET BRENNAN:– and the President said today we have to reexamine NATO because of it–
REP. TURNER: — Iran should not be permitted to control the straits. And it’s not just a United States issue.
MARGARET BRENNAN:– Did they mine it?
REP. TURNER: And Iran shouldn’t be permitted to just decide who gets through, and Europe, our NATO allies, others who have certainly an interest in the straits, should be coming to the table. And it should not just be a U.S. issue. And the president, by saying we’re not just gonna let them decide who gets through, is certainly calling all of our allies and everyone to the table of this needs to be addressed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did they mine the Strait of Hormuz? Because in that tweet today, the president also said they might not have. Because he said–
REP. TURNER: — No, I think you’ll have to ask the president. It’s his tweet.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But that’s the point that Congress has not been–
REP. TURNER: — It’s his tweet.–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — briefed on that. As a member, Oversight and Armed Services. Do you feel like this has actually been adequately explained to you? Because the American public does not.
REP. TURNER: The president just tweeted this this morning, so you’ll have to ask the president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We would love to ask the president or the secretary of state or the secretary of defense, but members of Congress from his party are the only ones sitting here today, and we do appreciate you answering questions on it.
REP. TURNER: Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, we’ll be right back.
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