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以下是2026年45日5日播出的《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目对美国国家航空航天局局长贾里德·艾萨克曼的完整采访实录，本周由白宫及政治高级记者埃德·奥基夫主持_**。
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埃德·奥基夫： 今天上午，阿尔忒弥斯二号机组人员比以往任何时候都更接近月球。我们来看看今早猎户座飞船舱外的画面。舱内的四名宇航员正在为明天绕月球背面为期六小时的飞越做准备。现在我们连线位于休斯顿任务控制中心的美国国家航空航天局局长贾里德·艾萨克曼，带来最新进展。局长，非常感谢您做客我们节目。目前机上四名宇航员的任务已完成约一半。在您看来，未来24至48小时内最关键的时刻是什么？
贾里德·艾萨克曼，美国国家航空航天局局长： 嗯，首先我想说，早上好，复活节快乐，埃德。当前任务阶段的首要目标是继续收集猎户座飞船上ECLSS系统——也就是生命支持系统——的数据。这是我们首次让人类搭乘猎户座飞船升空。我们希望尽可能多地收集相关数据。当然，任务还包含各类科学实验和月球观测，但全面了解猎户座飞船至关重要，因为阿尔忒弥斯三号任务将在一年后启动。届时我们将使用同款飞船搭配月球着陆器进行测试，随后在2028年开展阿尔忒弥斯四号任务，我们将利用这款飞船将宇航员转运至着陆器，让美国宇航员重返月球表面。
埃德·奥基夫： 您说得很有道理。这是一次测试任务，既要验证他们乘坐的航天器，也要完成既定观测目标，但他们周一需要透过窗口观测我们此前几乎从未见过的月球区域。他们具体在寻找什么？
艾萨克曼： 嗯，我得说，从地球飞往月球背面的航程长达25万英里，他们很难不被那些舷窗吸引，但他们
埃德·奥基夫： 完全没错——
艾萨克曼： ——确实肩负观测职责。他们配备了一系列不同的相机，肯定会从观测中获取数据。实际上，他们有三年半的时间为这次任务接受训练，与我们的科学家合作，确定他们最希望收集的月球背面相关信息。所有这些数据都将为后续任务提供参考，比如阿尔忒弥斯三号，但最重要的是阿尔忒弥斯四号任务，届时我们将真正让宇航员重返月球表面。
埃德·奥基夫： 是的，正如您所说，我们计划在两年内开展一次甚至两次月球着陆任务。美国国家航空航天局聘请了太空探索技术公司和蓝色起源公司建造将宇航员送至月球表面的月球着陆器。您正在采取哪些措施确保这两家公司中至少有一家能够按时完成任务？
艾萨克曼： 嗯，我得说，过去几个月我们做了很多不同以往的工作，对吧？我的意思是，特朗普总统给了我一项国家太空政策，要求美国频繁重返月球，建立持久存在的基地，开展其他令人振奋的项目，比如核能动力和推进系统。我们从《一项宏伟美好的法案》——即《工薪家庭减税法案》——中获得了价值100亿美元的资源。现在我们真正开始行动了。我们将美国国家航空航天局的主题专家派往整个供应链，嵌入每一家主承包商、分包商，以及从火箭本身到着陆器再到宇航员在月球表面所需穿戴的宇航服等关键路径上的每一个组件。我们正在推动目标落地，我们不会再被动等待。我们不会让预算超支或进度落后，尤其是在美国重返月球这件事上风险如此之高的时候。所以我们正在推动目标达成，这当然也包括月球着陆器的相关工作。
埃德·奥基夫： 那么简单来说，拟议中的20%以上的预算削减可能会对这些计划产生什么影响？
艾萨克曼： 没错，我当然支持特朗普总统及其2027财年预算申请。听着，我们有26项拨款。特朗普总统签署的《工薪家庭减税法案》为我们提供了100亿美元的补充资金。这是自肯尼迪时代以来美国国家航空航天局获得的最大规模补充投资。正是这些资源让我们能够加速生产，推进登月计划，新增2027年的阿尔忒弥斯三号任务，建造月球基地，以及开展其他项目，比如在2028年发射第一架星际核动力航天器，飞越火星，释放大量直升机和开展诸多其他科学任务。我认为，美国公众和纳税人应该根据成果来评判美国国家航空航天局，而不是看我们每年能多快花掉预算。
埃德·奥基夫： 明天宇航员将在月球背面停留约40分钟，通讯中断时长不到20秒。当宇航员经历这一时刻时，您会在想什么？
艾萨克曼： 嗯，我得说，人们一直在问我关于绕月飞行时通讯中断的问题。这对于任务控制中心的太空飞行来说是我们非常熟悉的情况。正如您所说，宇航员在训练中也已经习惯了这一点。所以与其担心月球背面的通讯中断，我会一直关注飞船上的生命支持系统，因为这是一次测试任务。但说实话，最重要的是，我会考虑热防护系统，以及当这些宇航员安全降落伞降在水面上时，我们能够顺利将他们接回家人身边。
埃德·奥基夫： 贾里德·艾萨克曼局长在休斯顿，非常感谢您做客我们的复活节周日节目。我们深表感激。今天的节目到此结束。感谢您的收看，玛格丽特，我们下周日再见，直到《直面国家》节目收官。我是埃德·奥基夫。
Transcript: NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” April 5, 2026
2026-04-05T12:12:00-0400 / CBS News
Updated on: April 5, 2026 / 1:44 PM EDT / CBS News
The following is the full transcript of an interview with NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on April 5, 2026, moderated this week bysenior White House and political correspondent Ed O’Keefe_**.
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ED O’KEEFE: This morning, the Artemis II crew is closer to the moon than ever before. Here’s a look at the exterior of the Orion capsule this morning. The four astronauts inside are prepping a six hour fly by around the far side of the moon tomorrow. For an update, we go now to NASA Administrator, Jared Isaacman, who is inside Houston’s Mission Control. Administrator, thank you so much for being here with us. The four astronauts on board are roughly halfway through their mission now. What, in your view, is the most critical moment of the next 24 to 48 hours?
JARED ISAACMAN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR: Well, I would say, and first good morning, Happy Easter, Ed. The primary objective right now for this phase of the mission is continuing to gather data from the ECLSS system, the life support system on the Orion spacecraft. This is the first time we’ve ever had humans on board the Orion spacecraft. We want to gather as much data as we possibly can for that. Of course, there’s various science experiments, there’s lunar observations, but learning as much as we can about Orion is critically important, because Artemis III is a year away. That’s where we’re going to test the same spacecraft with our lunar landers, followed up in 2028 by Artemis IV, where we’re going to use this spacecraft transfer crew to the landers and put American astronauts back on the surface of the moon.
ED O’KEEFE: You make a good point. This is a test mission, and it’s testing as much the, the vessel that they’re in, as much as what they’re looking for, but they are going to have to spend some time on Monday, essentially looking out the windows and looking for parts of the moon that we essentially have not really seen before. What specifically are they looking for?
ISAACMAN: Well, I would have to say, after a 250,000 mile journey away from Earth to the far side of the moon, it would be pretty hard to keep them away from, from those windows, but they
ED O’KEEFE: Absolutely–
ISAACMAN: – absolutely have observation responsibilities on that. They have a series of different cameras. They’re going to get data from that for sure, they’ve actually had an opportunity for three and a half years to train for this mission, to work with our scientists on the information they would like to gather most about the far side of the moon. But all of this comes together to inform subsequent missions like Artemis III, but most importantly now Artemis IV, which is where we’re going to actually get those astronauts back to the surface.
ED O’KEEFE: Yeah, to your point, you want to land one and possibly two missions on the moon just two years from now, NASA hired SpaceX and Blue Origin to build the lunar landers that will deliver astronauts to the surface of the moon. What are you doing to ensure that at least one of those two companies is going to be ready to do that?
ISAACMAN: Well, I’ll tell you, we’re doing a lot of things different over the last couple months, right? I mean, President Trump gave me a national space policy that called for America’s return to the moon with frequency, to establish an enduring presence, to build the moon base and do other exciting things, like nuclear power and propulsion. And we got $10 billion worth of resources out of the “One Big, Beautiful Bill,” the working family tax cut act. Now we are actually going to work. We are taking NASA subject matter experts, and we are embedding them across the supply chain, every prime contractor, subcontractor, every component on the critical path, from the rocket itself to the landers to the suits that astronauts will need to wear on the surface of the moon. And we are driving outcomes, we are not going to be passive anymore. We’re not going to let budgets – you know get over budget or behind schedule, not when there’s so much at stake when it comes to America’s return to the moon. So we are driving outcomes, and that certainly includes the lunar landers.
ED O’KEEFE: Quickly then how does a budget, proposed budget cut of more than 20% potentially affect these plans?
ISAACMAN: Yeah, so I certainly support President Trump and, and his 2027 budget request. Look, we have a 20- we have 26 appropriations. We have $10 billion in supplemental funding that came out of the, President Trump’s signature legislation, the working family tax cut act. I mean, this is the biggest in-, you know, supplemental investment in NASA since the Kennedy era. These resources are the only reason we can accelerate production to get to the moon, to add a mission in ’27 which is Artemis III, to build the moon base and do all the other things, like launching the first interplanetary nuclear powered spacecraft in 2028 that’s going to go past Mars, release a bunch of copters and a whole lot of other science missions. I think the, the American public and the taxpayers should be judging NASA based on outcomes, and not how quickly we can spend money every year.
ED O’KEEFE: In 20 seconds or less as they pass on the other side of the moon tomorrow for about 40 minutes. What’s going to- what are you going to be thinking about as the astronauts do that?
ISAACMAN: Well, I got to tell you, people have been asking me questions about the, you know, the loss of comms as we go around the moon. That is something we’re very used to in space flight mission control. As you said, astronauts are used to that as they go through training. So less about the loss of comm on the far side of the Moon. I’m always going to be thinking about the life support systems on the vehicle, because it’s a test mission. But I’ll tell you, most importantly, I’m thinking about the thermal protection systems, and when these astronauts are under parachute safely in the water so we can get them back to their families.
ED O’KEEFE: Administrator Jared Isaacman in Houston, thank you so much for joining us on this Easter Sunday. We appreciate it. And that is it for us today. Thank you for watching, Margaret, will be back next Sunday until the end for Face the Nation. I’m Ed O’Keefe.
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