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以下是科罗拉多州民主党众议员杰森·克劳于2026年3月22日在《面对国家》节目中接受玛格丽特·布伦南采访的完整转录内容。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：现在我们请到了科罗拉多州民主党众议员杰森·克劳。欢迎回来。
杰森·克劳众议员：谢谢，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南：你在众议院情报委员会任职。上周，你听到国家情报局局长就伊朗的能力作证时表示，理论上我们不会看到能将核弹头直接运抵美国本土的洲际弹道导弹。她说，即便伊朗真的尝试研发，也要到2035年才可能具备这种能力。那么，她的判断错了吗？因为以色列称，发射的是瞄准美国和英国基地的洲际弹道导弹。
杰森·克劳众议员：是的，她有可能错了，我们显然必须深入分析情报。问题从来不是伊朗是否对美国构成威胁或一系列威胁，而是分析从哪里开始，而不是分析在哪里结束。对吧？我们面临很多威胁：金正恩领导的朝鲜构成威胁，普京领导的俄罗斯构成威胁，全球各地都有威胁。问题是，我们该如何应对？目前，仅这场战争的头两周我们就已花费200亿美元，每天15亿美元。美国人每天额外要多支付3亿美元的能源价格。全球针对美国和美国人的恐怖威胁正在蔓延。而且没有退路，我们没有战略，也没有结束策略。无论从哪个角度看，这都是一团糟，现在我们必须弄清楚接下来该怎么做。
玛格丽特·布伦南：到目前为止，除了4到6周的时间框架外，没有向国会通报或分享其他时间线。
杰森·克劳众议员：不，我们没有从本届政府那里得到任何信息。他们未经国会授权就发动了这场战争。根本不存在迫在眉睫的威胁。事实上，他们甚至不再假装存在迫在眉睫的威胁——而这恰恰是总统在无需国会批准的情况下采取行动所必需的条件。现在，我们正花费数十亿美元纳税人的钱，美国军人在丧生，国会却被排除在外，我们被阻挠。美国人民没有掌握主动权，对吗？因为国会在这场战争中被边缘化，国会本应就是否派遣子女参战、是否为战争提供资金拥有话语权。现在是结束这一切的时候了。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们稍作休息。接下来我还有更多问题要与你讨论，大家请继续收看。我们马上回来。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：欢迎回到《面对国家》。现在我们继续与科罗拉多州众议员杰森·克劳的对话。在结束伊朗话题之前，我想问问你，上周日在本节目中，白宫经济顾问凯文·哈塞特称这场战争进展快于预期。虽然这取决于预算办公室，但他认为政府不需要额外的资金。然而几天后，黑格塞特部长似乎证实五角大楼可能需要高达2000亿美元。
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皮特·黑格塞特（0:31）：
“关于2000亿美元，我认为这个数字可能会变化。显然，需要资金来打击恐怖分子。因此，我们将回到国会，确保我们为已开展的行动以及未来可能采取的行动获得足够的资金支持。”
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玛格丽特·布伦南：我知道你反对这场战争，但有没有一种方式可以安排这笔资金，让你能够接受额外拨款？
杰森·克劳众议员：没有。如果他们认为我会投票支持数百亿美元用于一场未经授权的战争——一场他们没有寻求国会批准的战争，一场他们没有向美国人民解释我们为何而战、如何结束战争、如何保护我们的军人的战争——那是不可能的。此外，众议院共和党人去年夏天在唐纳德·特朗普的巨额预算法案中给了国防部1500亿美元的“预备金”，而现在他们又表示要提出1.5万亿美元的国防预算。国防部至今仍无法通过审计，无法告诉我们他们的物资在哪里、资金花在哪里。因此，我不会向一个无法通过审计的国防部投入资金，不会为一场未经授权、不符合美国利益的战争提供资金，这场战争的军费他们至今尚未说明去向。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我知道你是退伍军人，但你知道会有人指责民主党不支持军队。
杰森·克劳众议员：当然，他们会这么说。但国防部有足够的资金用于军人家庭、士兵和营房。我作为众议院武装部队委员会成员，将继续推动并投票确保我们的士兵和军队得到保障，确保我们拥有保护美国所需的军队。我不会做的是，仅仅为伊朗战争投入资金——现在他们自己也承认这是一场战争。这场战争不能再继续下去了。我们在伊拉克和阿富汗打了20年，花了数万亿美元。现在必须在这里结束，必须在这里结束。
玛格丽特·布伦南：不过，作为民主党人，你知道国会很快就要休会了。许多美国运输安全管理局（TSA）特工因这场民主党主导的资金停摆而未收到薪水，部分原因是对移民政策的改变要求，而据我所知，白宫至今未对此做出任何让步。这发生在参议院，作为民主党人，我是说，看看你选区附近的丹佛机场，他们呼吁人们为TSA特工捐赠礼品卡以维持生计。机场表示，这对地区经济至关重要，现在却在伤害你的社区。你如何继续为停摆辩护？
杰森·克劳众议员：我要明确一点：这是共和党导致的停摆——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——共和党人说——
杰森·克劳众议员：——就在昨天——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——应该全额拨款。
杰森·克劳众议员：就在昨天，美国参议院进行了投票，参议院民主党人提出了一项法案，除移民和海关执法局（ICE）及海关和边境保护局（CBP）外，其他所有部门都获得了资金授权——也就是海岸警卫队、TSA和网络安全。所有参议院共和党人都投了反对票。在众议院，我们实际上有一项法案，由罗莎·德劳罗和哈基姆·杰弗里斯提出。这是一项“干净法案”，要求对所有部门进行投票授权，除了移民和海关执法局（ICE）及海关和边境保护局（CBP）外全部拨款。共和党人在阻挠这项法案，甚至不允许对该法案进行投票。我们已经准备好行动了，他们却控制着政府的每一个——
玛格丽特·布伦南：但与此同时，这些人——
杰森·克劳众议员：——每一个方面——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——处境艰难。我们即将进入春假，这是交通高峰期。
杰森·克劳众议员：他们控制着政府的每个环节。他们控制着我们投票与否的权力。我们说，让我们重新开放政府，让我们为海岸警卫队、联邦紧急事务管理局（FEMA）、TSA和网络安全提供资金。顺便说一句，我们需要网络安全，因为我们刚刚与伊朗开战，而伊朗拥有强大的网络能力。我们愿意为此拨款，我们已经准备好投票了，他们却在阻止投票。他们是这场停摆的始作俑者。
玛格丽特·布伦南：克劳众议员，非常感谢你今天抽出时间。我们稍后继续。
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- 编者注：3月17日，白宫向国会提交了一封信，概述了政府愿意做出的一些让步。
克劳关于伊朗战争资金的表态
[民主党众议员杰森·克劳表示“我不会做的就是仅仅为伊朗战争投入资金”06:45]
民主党众议员杰森·克劳表示“我不会做的就是仅仅为伊朗战争投入资金”
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https://www.cbsnews.com/video/democratic-rep-jason-crow-says-what-im-not-going-to-do-is-just-throw-money-at-the-iran-war/
Transcript: Rep. Jason Crow on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” March 22, 2026
2026-03-22T12:34:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Jason Crow, Democrat of Colorado, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on March 22, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by Colorado Democratic Congressman Jason Crow. Welcome back.
REP. JASON CROW: Thanks, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you sit on the House Intelligence Committee. This past week, you heard the Director of National Intelligence testify about Iran’s capabilities, saying we wouldn’t see an ICBM that would, in theory, be the thing that would carry a nuclear warhead right to American shores. She said they wouldn’t have one until 2035 if they even tried at all. Is- what- are you afraid she was wrong? Because Israel is saying that what was fired was an ICBM that was aimed at this U.S., U.K. base.
REP. CROW: Yeah, she could be wrong, and we have- obviously have to dive into the intelligence. The question has never been whether or not Iran poses a threat or a series of threats to the United States, but that’s where the analysis begins, not when the analysis ends. Right? We have lots of threats. Kim Jong Un poses a threat. Putin poses a threat. We have threats around the world. The question is, what do we do about it? And right now, we’ve spent $20 billion in the first two weeks of this war alone, one and a half billion dollars a day. Americans are paying $300 million a day extra energy prices. The terror threat around the world against the United States and Americans is spreading. And there’s no off-ramp. We have no strategy and no end-game. This is a mess by any definition, and now we have to figure out what we do from here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So no timeline beyond the four to six weeks has been briefed or shared with Congress at this point.
REP. CROW: No, no, we are not getting the information from this, this administration. They started this war without congressional authorization. There’s no imminent threat. They actually have even stopped trying to pretend there was an imminent threat, which is what is necessary for the president to take action without congressional approval. So now here we are spending tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money, losing American lives. Congress isn’t involved. We’ve been stonewalled. The American people are not in the driver’s seat here, right? Because Congress has been sidelined in this they are the ones that need to have the voice and whether or not they’re going to send their sons and daughters to go fight this war, whether or not they’re going to finance it. It’s time for this to end.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s take a break. I have more to talk to you about on the other side of it, so all of you, please stay with us. We’ll be right back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to Face The Nation. We return now to our conversation with Colorado Congressman Jason Crow. Before we leave the topic of Iran, I do want to ask you, last Sunday on this program, the White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett said the war was ahead of schedule. And while it was up to the budget office, he didn’t think the administration would need any kind of supplemental funding. But then days later, Secretary Hegseth seemed to confirm the Pentagon needed as much as $200 billion.
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PETE HEGSETH 0:31
far as $200 billion I think that number could move. Obviously, it takes, it takes money to kill bad guys. So we’re going back to Congress and folks there to ensure that we’re properly funded for what’s been done, for what we may have to do in the future.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I know you’re opposed to the war, but is there a way to structure this deal where you would be comfortable with additional funds?
REP. CROW: No, if they think I’m going to vote for hundreds of billions of dollars for an unauthorized war, a war they didn’t come to Congress for, a war they haven’t given an explanation to the American people for what we’re doing and not doing, how it’s going to end, how we’re protecting our service members. And on top of that, the- House Republicans gave DOD, $150 billion slush fund last summer as part of Donald Trump’s big, ugly bill, and on top of that, they say they’re going to come and ask for a one and a half trillion dollar defense budget. And the Department of Defense, to this day, can’t pass an audit. They can’t tell us where all their stuff is, where they’re spending all their money. So I’m not about to throw money at a DOD that can’t pass an audit, is sitting on money that they already haven’t accounted for and haven’t spent and to perpetuate an unauthorized war that is not in America’s interest.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I know you’re a veteran, but you know that the accusation will be made that Democrats just don’t support the troops.
REP. CROW: There is, of course, that’s what they’re going to say. But there is plenty of money within DOD for military families, for troops, for barracks. I have guaranteed that I sit on the Armed Services Committee, and I will continue to push forward and vote to make sure our troops, our military is taken care of, that we have the military that we need to protect America. What I’m not going to do is just throw money at the Iran war, which they’re now admitting is a war. This cannot continue. We spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, trillions of dollars. It ends here. It must end here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Tell me, though, as a Democrat, because Congress is scheduled to go on vacation soon, a lot of TSA agents aren’t receiving paychecks because of this democratic-led funding shutdown, because of a demand to change immigration policy, something the White House has not made any concessions* on that I know of to date. This is in the Senate, but as a Democrat, I mean, look at Denver airport near your district. They’re asking people to donate gift cards for TSA agents to make ends meet. The airport says, you know, this is a huge generator in terms of what the airport does for the region. This is hurting your community. How do you continue to defend the shutdown?
REP. CROW: I’m going to be really clear that this is a Republican shutdown–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –The Republicans said–
REP. CROW: –Just yesterday–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –fund it all.
REP. CROW: Just yesterday, the U.S. Senate held a vote, and Senate Democrats put up an authorization to fund everything except for ice and CBP, that’s Coast Guard, that’s TSA, that’s cybersecurity. Every single Senate Republican voted against it. In the House, we actually have a bill, Rosa DeLauro and Hakeem Jeffries. We have a clean bill that would force a vote to open up everything, to fund everything except for ICE and CBP. Republicans are stopping it. They’re not even allowing a vote on that bill. So we are ready to go. They are in control of every–
MARGARET BRENNAN: But in the meantime those people are–
REP. CROW: –facet of government–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –are left stuck. We’re about to be in spring break, heavy traffic season.
REP. CROW: They are in control of every element of government. They’re in control of what we vote for and don’t vote for. We are saying, let’s open it back up. Let’s fund Coast Guard. Let’s fund FEMA. Let’s fund TSA. Let’s fund cybersecurity, which, by the way, we need because we just started a war with Iran, which has a huge cyber capability. We want to fund it. We’re ready to fund it. We will take the votes tomorrow. They’re stopping that vote. They own this shutdown.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Crow, thank you very much for your time today. We’ll be right back.
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*Editor’s Note: The White House submitted a letter to Congress on March 17 outlining some concessions the administration is willing to make.
Crow on Iran war funding
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Democratic Rep. Jason Crow says “what I’m not going to do is just throw money at the Iran war”
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https://www.cbsnews.com/video/democratic-rep-jason-crow-says-what-im-not-going-to-do-is-just-throw-money-at-the-iran-war/
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