参议院同事就气质、冒领军功及移民与海关执法局问题审视穆林 在紧张的国土安全部确认听证会上 | 美国有线电视新闻网(CNN)政治版


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参议院同事就气质、冒领军功及移民与海关执法局问题审视穆林 在紧张的国土安全部确认听证会上

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参议员马克韦恩·穆林(Markwayne Mullin),唐纳德·特朗普总统提名的国土安全部部长,周三在国会山的确认听证会后离开。

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通常对党内成员友好的听证会环境在周三的国会山变得紧张,参议员们对马克韦恩·穆林进行了约三个小时的严格质询,他正争取成为唐纳德·特朗普总统下任国土安全部负责人。

共和党国土安全委员会主席兰德·保罗(Rand Paul)对这位俄克拉荷马州共和党议员是否有领导这个拥有超过26万名员工的部门所需的气质表示怀疑,重提了长期存在的争执,穆林曾称他为“毒蛇”。

该委员会的高级民主党议员加里·彼得斯(Gary Peters)就冒领军功的指控向参议员施压,随后让他为之前称亚历克斯·普雷蒂(Alex Pretti)是“精神失常者”的言论道歉。

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这对穆林来说是一场尤为激烈的确认听证会,正值特朗普政府的国土安全部面临关键时期——由于议员们扣留资金以讨论可能影响其未来的改革,该部门正处于关闭状态。政府和议员们都希望,这位负责监督移民与海关执法局(ICE)、运输安全管理局和海岸警卫队等关键机构的下一任部门负责人,能够纠正处于公众监督和政治动荡中的员工队伍。

穆林全程试图强调他领导该部门的方式与即将卸任的部长克里斯蒂·诺姆(Kristi Noem)的不同,誓言承认自己的错误并保持低调。但他是否足以说服议员们支持他还有待观察;委员会预计周四将就是否推进穆林的提名进行投票。

值得注意的是,保罗在听证会后告诉记者,他将反对穆林的提名。

“事实上,他无法说我们不应该用暴力解决政治问题,我认为这将给移民与海关执法局和我们的边境巡逻人员树立一个可怕的榜样,”保罗说。

“我认为我们正处于一场危机中,需要高层更多的指导,而一个喜欢争吵、甚至不能对(2017年袭击事件)表示歉意,反而赞扬袭击发生的人,无法说出‘我很抱歉’的人,在我看来,他怎么能领导移民与海关执法局或边境巡逻队呢?”

关于“愤怒问题”的指控

共和党主席质疑穆林的气质是否适合国土安全部负责人,并抨击过去的“毒蛇”言论

2:12 • 来源:CNN

共和党主席质疑穆林的气质是否适合国土安全部负责人,并抨击过去的“毒蛇”言论

2:12

值得注意的是,保罗对穆林提名的反对可能会危及他的确认,除非民主党参议员约翰·费特曼(John Fetterman)——他已表示将在参议院投票中支持穆林——加入委员会中所有其他共和党成员的行列,以推动穆林的提名通过委员会。

保罗在激烈的开场陈述中,核心是穆林对他的同事经常成为特朗普的眼中钉,并且多次投票反对共和党优先事项感到不满,这导致参议院投票出现延误和障碍。

穆林最近告诉一群俄克拉荷马州选民,他“理解”为什么保罗的邻居在2017年袭击了他,并称他为“毒蛇”。

周三,保罗抨击穆林的言论,认为他拒绝道歉或直接与他对质,这让穆林的性格和领导国土安全部的能力受到质疑。

“我很震惊你会为这次暴力袭击辩护并表示赞赏,这给我和我的家人带来了巨大的痛苦。我只是想知道,一个为针对政治对手的暴力行为叫好的人,是否是领导一个在合理使用武力方面难以接受限制的机构的合适人选,”肯塔基州参议员保罗对穆林说。

他说,穆林有机会在听证会上“直视”他并重复那些话。然后,他指责参议员有“愤怒问题”,并指出2023年一次听证会上穆林似乎准备与一名证人发生肢体冲突的事件。

保罗反复要求穆林为他的言论道歉,但穆林拒绝了。

相反,穆林辩称两人应该“搁置此事”,继续考虑他的提名。他反复表示自己感到谦卑——曾经是一个有语言障碍的小镇男孩——被考虑担任如此高的联邦职务。

“房间里的每个人都知道我非常直言不讳,直截了当,如果我有话要说,我会直接当面说出来,”穆林说,指责保罗花更多时间试图“与共和党人对抗,而不是与我们合作”。

“如果你愿意搁置,我可以放下。让我赢得你的尊重。让我赢得这份工作。我不会让你失望。我不会回避挑战,”他补充道。

保罗说“播放录音”,回击了一段2023年听证会的视频,以及穆林事后表示他不后悔自己行为的言论。

穆林在回应委员会时说,证人——国际卡车司机兄弟会主席肖恩·奥布赖恩(Sean O’Brien)——已经成为他的“密友”,并作为他的客人出席听证会。

在来回交锋之后,费特曼鼓励两人继续前进,并以穆林和奥布赖恩为例。

“我知道这里有很多个人恩怨,而且绝对我——我认为,政治暴力现在泛滥成灾,这太可怕了,发生的事情,但是,同样,奥布赖恩主席在这里,不是为了第二轮。他来这里是因为他完全支持你的……所以这是关于放下过去,继续前进。”

费特曼表示他会“持开放态度”,并称赞穆林“一贯的友善和专业”。

关于冒领军功的指控

保罗威胁要取消对穆林提名的委员会投票,除非其撤回冒领军功的指控

2:19 • 来源:CNN

保罗威胁要取消对穆林提名的委员会投票,除非其撤回冒领军功的指控

2:19

没有美国兵役历史的穆林,还被问及他之前关于海外服役和“闻到战争气息”的模糊表述被指控为冒领军功的问题。

这位共和党参议员将这些指控归咎于“误解”,称大约在2016年,他被要求与一个“非常小的特遣队一起训练并前往某个地区”。他说,在这次旅行中,他参加了生存、逃避、抵抗和逃脱(SERE)训练,他同时将其描述为“有点有趣”和“绝对糟糕”。

他说,这次训练和旅行的某些方面是机密的。

“那么,先生,你在哪里闻到了战争的气息?”密歇根州民主党人彼得斯问道。

穆林回应说,他的回答将是机密的。

在穆林的整个作证过程中,这一问题被多次提出,彼得斯后来告诉他:“你没有向我或这个委员会坦诚相告。故事似乎总是在演变,有点变化。而且你知道,坦率、诚实、透明在这个时候绝对至关重要,尤其是作为国土安全部部长,需要建立信任。”

在保罗威胁除非穆林在听证会后向议员们说明他声称完成的机密工作细节,否则将取消委员会周三的投票后,穆林同意在听证会后与议员们在安全场所会面。

与诺姆的不同

穆林称称亚历克斯·普雷蒂为“精神失常者”是一个错误

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穆林称称亚历克斯·普雷蒂为“精神失常者”是一个错误

1:22

穆林强调了他计划领导该部门的方式与诺姆的不同。

他告诉参议员,他“并不完美”,将“承担”自己的错误并从中学习,这与诺姆不愿承认自己的失误形成对比。“我六个月的目标是,我们不会每天都成为头条新闻,”他说。

他对新罕布什尔州民主党参议员玛吉·哈桑(Maggie Hassan)说:“每个人都有不同的领导风格。我的管理风格是赋予人们权力,”他向新泽西州参议员安迪·金(Andy Kim)保证,他将对国会议员作出回应,之前议员们多次抱怨,在诺姆领导下,该部门没有及时回复议员的问题。

“我想我们所有人,无论是众议院还是参议院的人,总是抱怨机构的沟通。我向你保证,我会做到最好。”

“我们会与你合作。但最重要的是,我认为这个席位上的每个人都有我的私人电话号码。那个电话号码不会改变。如果你打电话给我,你会得到回应。如果你给我发短信,我们会得到回应,”他补充道。

民主党人就穆林今年早些时候关于普雷蒂与联邦移民官员在明尼苏达州发生致命遭遇的评论向他施压,参议员在枪击事件发生后立即称普雷蒂为“精神失常者”的言论向委员会道歉。

“我本不该那么说,”他承认。

“调查正在进行中,而且,就像我说的,有时候会犯错,我承担责任,”他告诉委员会。“这一次,我太快了。我在没有了解事实的情况下立即做出了回应。这是我的错。”

他还表示,移民与海关执法局在全国各地的部署方式应该有所改变,告诉参议员:“我很希望看到移民与海关执法局更多地成为运输部门,而不是前线力量,”并承诺要求移民与海关执法局官员在进入私人财产前获得司法令状,有限例外情况除外。

民主党人一直要求在与国土安全部资金的谈判中,将使用司法令状(而非移民与海关执法局目前使用的限制较少的行政令状)作为立法规定。

总体而言,他关于移民官员应与地方执法机构更密切合作的言论表明,这将恢复移民与海关执法局的传统运作方式,而非像诺姆时期那样进行大规模移民突袭。

穆林人际关系的焦点

参议员马克韦恩·穆林在国会山作证时谈到他的儿子,流下眼泪。

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穆林的共和党同事们给了他机会讨论他与前众议院议员(包括坐在穆林身后的民主党众议员乔希·戈特海默)的密切关系,以及他与特朗普的友谊。

穆林称总统为“朋友”,他说与特朗普的交流“更多是作为朋友,而非政策层面”。

当被问及他对特朗普的忠诚源于何处时,他情绪激动地谈到特朗普在2020年他儿子遭受创伤性脑损伤后给予的帮助,他儿子失去了大部分记忆和肌肉控制能力。

“我会努力不哭着说完,”穆林说。

“我们差点失去他。有26个小时他的脉搏极低,有一次他们以为他的脉搏完全停止了,”穆林回忆道。

他说,特朗普改变了他儿子生命的轨迹,主动提出派他的“私人飞机”送儿子去顶级神经康复中心,并经常跟进他们的情况。

“从那以后我们一直是朋友,”他说。

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Sen. Markwayne Mullin, President Donald Trump’s nominee for Homeland Security secretary, departs after his confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill, Wednesday.

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A typically friendly setting for one of their own turned tense on Capitol Hill Wednesday with senators grilling Markwayne Mullin for roughly three hours as he vies to become President Donald Trump’s next Department of Homeland Security chief.

Republican Homeland Security Committee Chairman Rand Paul cast doubt on whether the Oklahoma Republican had the temperament to lead the department of more than 260,000 employees, reprising a long-simmering feud in which Mullin called him a “snake.”

Sen. Gary Peters, the top Democrat on the panel, pressed the senator on allegations of stolen valor and then put him on his heels, pressing for an apology over a previous comment that Alex Pretti was a “deranged individual.”

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It all amounted to a particularly heightened confirmation hearing for Mullin at a critical moment for Trump’s Department of Homeland Security, which is shut down as lawmakers withhold funding to debate reforms that could shape its future. The administration – and lawmakers alike – hope the next head of the department, which oversees critical agencies including Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Transportation Security Administration and the Coast Guard, will re-right a workforce under public scrutiny and political turmoil.

Throughout, Mullin sought to underscore the differences between how he would lead the department and the tenure of outgoing Secretary Kristi Noem, vowing to admit his mistakes and keep a lower profile. But whether he did enough to convince lawmakers to back him remains to be seen; the committee is expected to vote on whether to advance Mullin’s nomination Thursday.

Notably, Paul told reporters after the hearing that he will oppose Mullin.

“The fact that he can’t bring himself to say that, you know, really, we shouldn’t settle political questions with violence, I think that would be a terrible example for ICE and for our border patrol agents,” Paul said.

“We’re in the midst, I think, of a crisis where there needs to be more direction from the top, and a guy who brawls, a guy who can’t even say he’s sorry about, you know, wishing violence on me and really applauding the attack that happened on me, can’t come to say that? I don’t know how he could, from my point of view, be a leader of ICE or border patrol.”

An accusation of ‘anger issues’

GOP chairman questions Mullin’s temperament for DHS chief and rails on past “snake” comment

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GOP chairman questions Mullin’s temperament for DHS chief and rails on past “snake” comment

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Notably, Paul’s opposition to Mullin’s nomination could jeopardize his confirmation, unless Democratic Sen. John Fetterman, who has said he will vote to confirm Mullin on the Senate floor, joins all other Republicans on the panel to advance his nomination out of the committee.

At the crux of Paul’s blistering opening remarks is Mullin’s frustrations that his colleague is often a thorn in Trump’s side and has repeatedly voted against GOP priorities, causing delays and roadblocks on the Senate floor.

Mullin recently told a group of voters in Oklahoma he “understood” why Paul’s neighbor had attacked him back in 2017 and called him a “snake.”

Paul on Wednesday railed on Mullin’s comments, arguing that his refusal to apologize or confront him directly put Mullin’s character and ability to lead DHS in doubt.

“I was shocked that you would justify and celebrate this violent assault that caused me so much pain and my family so much pain. I just wonder if someone who applauds violence against their political opponents is the right person to lead an agency that has struggled to accept limits to the proper use of force,” Paul of Kentucky told Mullin.

Mullin, he said, would have the opportunity to “look [him] in the eye” and repeat those words during the hearing. Then, accusing the senator of having “ anger issues,” he pointed to an episode during a 2023 hearing in which Mullin appeared prepared to physically fight a witness.

Repeatedly, Paul pressed Mullin to apologize for his comments, but Mullin refused.

Instead, Mullin argued the pair should “set it aside,” and move forward with considering his nomination. He repeatedly expressed he was humbled – once a small town kid with a speech impediment – he was being considered for such a high federal office.

“Everybody in this room knows that I’m very blunt and direct to the point, and if I have something to say, I’ll say it directly to your face,” Mullin said, arguing Paul spends more time trying to “fight Republicans more than you work with us.”

“I can set it aside, if you’re willing to set it aside. Let me earn your respect. Let me earn the job. I won’t fail you. I won’t back down from a challenge,” he added.

Saying “roll the tape,” Paul hit back with a clip of the 2023 hearing paired with Mullin’s comments afterward that he didn’t regret his behavior.

Mullin told the committee in response that the witness – President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Sean O’Brien – has become a “close friend,” and was attending the hearing as his guest.

After the back-and-forth, Fetterman encouraged both men to move on, and pointed to Mullin and O’Brien as an example.

“I know there’s a lot of hard personal feelings here, and absolutely I would, I — It’s terrible, what’s happened and political violence, I mean, it’s, it’s rampant so now. But also, also President O’Brien’s here, not for round two. He’s here because he fully supports your … so it’s about, it’s about letting it go and moving on.”

Fetterman maintained he’ll have an “open mind,” and praised Mullin’s “consistent kindness and professionalism.”

Allegations of stolen valor

Paul threatens to cancel committee vote on Mullin’s nomination over stolen valor allegations

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Paul threatens to cancel committee vote on Mullin’s nomination over stolen valor allegations

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Mullin, who has no history of US military service, was also questioned about accusations that previous, vague statements he has made about serving overseas and smelling war amounted to stolen valor.

The Republican senator chalked the allegations up to a “misunderstanding,” saying he was asked to train with a “very small contingency and go to a certain area” around 2016. As part of that trip, he said he participated in Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape training, which he simultaneously described as “kind of fun” and “absolutely awful.”

Aspects of that training and trip were classified, he said.

“So where did you smell war, sir?” Peters, a Michigan Democrat, asked.

Mullin responded that his answer would be classified.

The line of questioning was brought up at different times during Mullin’s appearance, with Peters later telling him: “You’ve not been forthcoming with me or this committee. The story always seems to evolve, to kind of change. And as you know, candor, honesty, transparency are absolutely critical, particularly at this time, to try to build trust as the Secretary of Homeland Security.”

After Paul threatened to cancel the committee’s Wednesday vote unless Mullin provided them with clarity on the classified work he claimed to have done, Mullin agreed to meet with lawmakers in a secure setting after the hearing.

A change from Noem

Mullin says calling Alex Pretti a “deranged individual” was a mistake

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Mullin says calling Alex Pretti a “deranged individual” was a mistake

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Mullin emphasized the differences between how he plans to lead the department and how Noem has done the job.

He told senators that he’s “not perfect,” and will “own” his mistakes and learn from them, in contrast with Noem’s reluctance to acknowledge her missteps. “My goal in six months is that we’re not in the lead story every single day,” he said.

He told Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, “Everybody has different leadership styles. My management style is empowering people,” and he pledged to New Jersey Sen. Andy Kim that he will be responsive to members of Congress, after frequent complaints from members that, under Noem, the department had not answered lawmakers’ questions in a timely manner.

“I think all of us that’s been either in the House or in the Senate, always complain about the outreach of agencies. I will make a commitment to you that I’m going to have the best,” he said.

“We’re going to work with you. But most importantly, I think everybody on this dais has my personal cell phone. That cell phone isn’t going to change. And if you, if you call me, you’re going to get a response. If you text me, we’re going to get a response,” he added.

Democrats challenged Mullin on his past comments about Pretti’s fatal encounter with federal immigration officers in Minnesota earlier this year, and the senator apologized for calling Pretti a “deranged individual” in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

“I shouldn’t have said that,” he acknowledged.

“The investigation is ongoing, and there is, like I said, there’s sometimes going to make mistake and I own it,” he told the panel. “That one, I went out there too fast. I was responding immediately without the facts. That’s my fault.”

He also said that there should be some changes as to how ICE is deployed around the country, telling senators, “I would love to see ICE become more a transport than on the front line,” and pledged to require ICE officers to obtain judicial warrants before entering private property, with limited exceptions.

Democrats have demanded that the use of judicial warrants, rather than the less-restrictive administrative warrants ICE has been using, be codified in legislation amid negotiations over funding DHS.

Overall, his comments about immigration officers working more closely with local law enforcement agencies suggest a return to traditional operations conducted by ICE, instead of broad immigration sweeps as seen under Noem.

A focus on Mullin’s relationships

Sen. Markwayne Mullin wipes tears as he speaks about his son during testimony on Capitol Hill Wednesday.

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Mullin’s Republican colleagues offered opportunities for the senator to discuss his close relationships with former House members, including Democratic Rep. Josh Gottheimer, who sat behind Mullin at the hearing, and his friendship with Trump.

Describing the president as a “friend,” Mullin said he speaks with Trump “from a friend level, more than I do a policy level.”

He grew emotional as he spoke about the president checking in on Mullin’s son after his traumatic brain injury in 2020, when his son lost much of his memory and muscle control.

“I am going to try to get through it without crying,” Mullin said, responding to a question from Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson about where his loyalty to Trump originated.

“We almost lost him. For 26 hours he had an extremely low pulse, there was a time that they thought they lose his pulse altogether,” Mullin recalled.

Trump, he said, changed the trajectory of his son’s life, offering to send his “personal plane” to take him to a top neurorehabilitation center and frequently followed up with them.

“We’ve been friends ever since,” he said.

CNN’s Michael Williams, Priscilla Alvarez, Lauren Fox and Morgan Leason contributed to this report.

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