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以下是2026年3月15日在《面对国家》节目中播出的对弗吉尼亚州民主党参议员马克·华纳的访谈实录。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：我们现在转向情报委员会副主席、民主党参议员马克·华纳。他今天上午从弗吉尼亚州里士满为我们连线。参议员，关于伊朗，我们有很多问题要问你，但我想先从国内安全说起。我们国内发生了几起袭击事件，其中两起被调查为恐怖事件。我们现在还能联系上参议员吗？抱歉，希望他还能听到我说话。这些国内事件包括弗吉尼亚州老多米尼昂大学的一起事件，枪手曾因试图支持“伊斯兰国”（ISIS）服刑数年。他走进陆军后备军官训练队（ROTC）课堂，枪杀了一名教官，还造成两人受伤。一名有定罪记录的“伊斯兰国”支持者是如何在执法部门眼皮底下做到这一点的？是谁的职责是跟踪他？
马克·华纳参议员（弗吉尼亚州民主党）：嗯，玛格丽特，我认为本应由联邦调查局（FBI）负责。不幸的是，在现任FBI局长卡什·帕特尔领导下，他解雇了许多顶尖反恐和反间谍官员。据我多次报道，他将近三分之一的FBI特工调离关键反恐或反间谍工作，转而从事性犯罪调查或移民执法。我就知道这迟早会出问题。我认为虽然这起事件可能没有直接关联，但我们知道，在所有办公室中，他们都把FBI特工从关键案件上调离，转去处理移民事务。这是个错误。我想弄清楚这个人为何仍能逍遥法外，我们必须展开调查，同时确保FBI重新专注于保护国家安全，防止恐怖主义或间谍活动发生。
玛格丽特·布伦南：目前，你是否知道针对国内的可信威胁？
华纳参议员：最近几天我没有收到任何新的可信威胁简报。但我们必须意识到，如果你正在准备一场“选择式战争”，就必须为这些情况做计划。这确实是一场选择式战争。总统曾提出四个目标：政权更迭，但现任最高领袖比前任更激进；你听到外交部长的表态，他们似乎并不打算退缩；核浓缩需要地面部队；清除导弹系统，我们已经背弃了部分承诺。
玛格丽特·布伦南：——我明白。——
华纳参议员：但最荒谬的是，我们没有接受乌克兰使用更便宜无人机的提议。我需要和你谈谈——最后，霍尔木兹海峡已经关闭。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：我要暂停一下，回来后我们再继续对话，这次不会打断你。现在暂停。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：欢迎回到《面对国家》。我们继续与马克·华纳参议员的对话。参议员，刚才广告前我们在讨论伊朗问题。一年前，伊朗情报部门负责人曾在你的委员会面前作证，称“我们继续评估伊朗并未在建造核武器，哈梅内伊也未重新授权2003年暂停的核武器计划”。显然，以色列对此评估有异议，并说服了特朗普总统。美国情报部门当时是不是错了？
华纳参议员：不，他们没错。伊朗对美国不存在迫在眉睫的威胁，我认为对以色列也没有。从长远来看，尤其是考虑到伊朗的弹道导弹能力，以色列会面临更大威胁。发动战争是总统的选择。正如我之前提到的，他列出的四个目标——政权更迭、清除浓缩铀、销毁导弹、“击沉海军”——我不确定我们是否能达成任何一个目标，尤其是最后一点，海军方面，他们仍有数百艘快艇可在霍尔木兹海峡布雷（已部分布雷）。总统说“当他‘骨子里感觉到’时”，我们就会采取行动，但这13名阵亡的军人该怎么办？我有很多来自诺福克海军基地的水手，他们的家就在弗吉尼亚州，而等待总统“感觉到”合适的时机？这似乎不是正确的标准。
玛格丽特·布伦南：本周晚些时候，你的委员会将听取情报部门的最新报告，我们会密切关注。不过，我想具体询问伊朗Minab小学的致命袭击事件。据哥伦比亚广播公司报道，约200人遇难，初步评估显示可能是因使用过时情报确定目标坐标所致。黑格塞斯部长已任命外部调查人员对中央司令部（CENTCOM）展开全面调查。根据你掌握的信息，这一致命错误是源于情报界内部，还是军方未审核所获情报？
华纳参议员：玛格丽特，我们目前只有初步评估，我需要彻底调查。但我不想过早断定是CENTCOM还是国防情报局（DIA）的责任。这正是全面调查的目的。显然，这是美国发动的袭击。我对总统最初试图否认或声称是伊朗所为感到失望。在这种时刻，总统的表态至关重要。不幸的是，特朗普总统一直用词随意，从未向美国人民说明这场“选择式战争”的具体目标，除了他提出的四个目标外，我们仍不清楚其他细节。我不确定我们能否实现这些目标，但他会在“感觉合适”时采取行动。我与朋友凯文·哈塞特的分歧在于，这场战争对经济影响巨大。在弗吉尼亚州，两周前油价2.81美元，现在涨到3.45美元。我昨天看到一位农民，他的化肥成本上涨了40%。
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的，我们会持续追踪这些数据。不过，这一点需要强调：这是一所满是儿童的学校。如果类似错误再次发生，你是否对美国情报部门继续用于目标定位和地面行动的可靠性有信心？
华纳参议员：这正是我们需要调查的原因。尽管这所学校紧邻伊朗军事基地，但这绝不能成为借口。因此，在指责军方或DIA之前，我需要先了解事实。我认为，基于事实而非假设进行讨论，我们能做得更好。
玛格丽特·布伦南：关于事实，参议院昨日第四次未能推进国土安全部资金法案。航空公司首席执行官指责国会未支付运输安全管理局（TSA）员工工资。我有视频显示TSA工作人员因错过第二份薪水（上次是半薪）而在排队领取食物，本周五才会发放全额薪水。为什么你的政党领袖不能打破僵局？
华纳参议员：玛格丽特，我们应该能做到。我们提出的方案是：支付TSA、FEMA、海岸警卫队、美国海岸警卫队（CISA）和海关与边境保护局的费用。如果不能就移民执法改革达成一致，至少先支付其他部门的费用。根据共和党提出的预算框架，他们为何不再进一步妥协？
玛格丽特·布伦南：他们称这是全面拨款，而非分项预算，但——
华纳参议员：如果你要确保95%的资金到位，如我们之前通过的平衡法案，为何不按部分法案推进其余5%的资金？
玛格丽特·布伦南：他们坚持认为这是全面拨款，而非分项处理……
华纳参议员：——如果你们要为国土安全部95%的预算负责，为何不能接受其他部分的资金？
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们将继续关注此事。华纳参议员，感谢您今天上午的时间。我们稍后继续。
Transcript: Sen. Mark Warner on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” March 15, 2026
2026-03-15T12:42:00-0400 / CBS News
Updated on: March 15, 2026 / 2:20 PM EDT / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on March 15, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to the vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Democratic Senator Mark Warner. He joins us this morning from Richmond, Virginia. Senator, a lot to ask you about in regard to Iran, but I want to start first on the homeland. We had several attacks, two being investigated as terror incidents here at home. Do we still have the senator? Okay, sorry. Glad he can still hear me. The incidents here at home, including one in Virginia at Old Dominion University, the gunman had served several years in prison for trying to support ISIS. He walked into an Army ROTC class and he shot the instructor dead. He injured two others. How does a convicted ISIS supporter do this right under the nose of law enforcement?
Whose job was it to track him?
SEN. MARK WARNER (D-VA): Well, Margaret, I think the job was supposed to be the FBI. And unfortunately, under this FBI director, Kash Patel, he has fired many of the top counterterrorism folks, counterespionage folks. And he has taken, and I reported this many times, close to a third of our FBI officers off doing counterterrorism or doing sex crimes and put them on immigration enforcement. I knew this was gonna come back and bite us. And I believe while there may not be a direct relationship here, we know in all of the offices they’ve taken these FBI agents off their critical cases and put them on immigration enforcement. I think that was a mistake. I wanna find out how this guy was able to still be on the loose, and we’ve got to get an investigation, but we’ve got to get an FBI that is back focused on protecting the homeland and preventing, whether it be terrorists or espionage taking place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: At this point, are you aware of any credible threats to the homeland?
SEN. WARNER: I have not been briefed in the last few days on a additional credible threat. But this, let’s put it like this, you know, these are the things you have to plan for if you are planning on going to war on a war of choice. This is a war of choice. And if you just go through quickly, the president said there were going to be four goals. Regime change, we’ve actually got a worse supreme leader than the previous one. And you heard the foreign minister, it doesn’t sound like they’re ready to move out. The uranium enrichment, it would take troops on the ground. Getting rid of the missiles, we’ve betrayed some of those.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –I get it.–
SEN. WARNER: But the crazy thing was that we didn’t take the Ukrainian offer to go after, to use their drones, which are much cheaper. I need to talk to you about- And finally, we’ve got the Strait of Hormuz closed.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I got to go to a break and I’m coming back to talk to you where I don’t have to cut you off. Let me just go to this break now.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We return now to our conversation with Senator Mark Warner. Senator, we were talking about Iran before that break. It was a year ago that the country’s intelligence leaders sat before your committee and provided testimony at the Worldwide Threats Briefing. And at that point, the testimony was, quote, “we continue to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and that Khamenei has not reauthorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003.” Clearly, Israel disagreed with that U.S. assessment, and they persuaded President Trump. Were those U.S. intelligence leaders wrong?
SEN. WARNER: No, they were not. There was no imminent threat to the United States, and I don’t believe there was even an imminent threat to Israel from Iran. Over a period of time, particularly with the ballistic missile capability, Israel would be more under threat. The decision to go to war, in this case, was a choice by President Trump. And as I was racing through, I won’t go through the whole list again, but it was regime change, get rid of the enriched uranium, get rid of their missiles, sink the Navy. I’m not sure we have reached a successful conclusion on any of those four, particularly on the last point, the Navy. They’re still- you know, have hundreds and hundreds of these speed boats that they can plant mines in the Strait of Hormuz, which they’ve already partially mined, and now, we’re in this circumstance where he’s going to decide, I guess when he feels it in his bones, I think was the quote the president used, and is that the criteria when we’ve got literally 13 service members killed? And I got a lot of those sailors on the Ford that are home ported in Norfolk, Virginia. And waiting for him to feel right in the bones? That doesn’t seem to be the right criteria.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we will get an update from those intelligence leaders before your committee later this week. We’ll be watching that closely. I want to specifically ask you, though, about what happened with this deadly strike on an elementary school in Minab, Iran. Our CBS reporting is that nearly 200 people were killed, likely the result of outdated intelligence that was used for the target coordinates, according to the preliminary assessment. Secretary Hegseth said he has appointed an investigator from outside Central Command to do a full probe. From what you have been told, did the fatal error originate from within the intelligence community or was this an issue with the military not vetting the intelligence they were given?
SEN. WARNER: Margaret, we’ve only got preliminary assessments, and I want a thorough investigation. But what I don’t want to do is jump to the conclusion, whether it was CENTCOM or whether it was Defense Intelligence Agency. Let’s- that’s what thorough investigations are supposed to be for. Clearly, it was an American strike. I, again, feel a little disappointed that the president tried to deny that at first or say it was even the Iranians. This is where- what we’ve got. The words of the president of the United States are terribly important in moments like this. And, unfortunately, President Trump has, uses loose language all the time, didn’t ever come to the American people on this war of choice and say what our goals are, and we still don’t know other than the four goals he outlined. I’m not sure we’re going to accomplish, but he’s going to then- whenever he decides. And we- where I disagree with my friend Kevin Hassett is, this is having a huge economic effect. In Virginia, two weeks ago, gas prices were $2.81. Today, they’re about $3.45. I saw a farmer yesterday. His fertilizer cost had been up 40%.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No, and we’ll continue to track that. Just to put a fine point on this, though, because this was, this was a school full of children. If a mistake like this happens, are you confident in the rest of U.S. intelligence that is continuing to be used for targeting and to inform what is happening on the ground now and the more than 50,000 service people we have committed here?
SEN. WARNER: This is why we want the investigation. This school, though, was absolutely adjacent to an Iranian military base. That does not excuse what happened. But that’s why, before I cast blame on whether it was the military or DIA, I want to get the facts. I think we’d all do a better job if we actually argued from facts rather than from suppositions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, on the facts, the Senate failed to advance that Homeland Security funding for the fourth time yesterday. We have airline CEOs faulting Congress for not paying TSA agents. I’ve got video of TSA workers on food lines because they just missed their second paycheck, half paycheck last time, full paycheck this Friday. Why can’t your leaders break this deadlock?
SEN. WARNER: Margaret, I think we should. And what we have offered is let’s pay TSA, let’s pay FEMA, let’s pay the National Guard [sic.] I’m sorry the Coast Guard, let’s pay CISA, I’d even say let’s pay Customs and Border Patrol. If we can’t agree on ICE reforms, let’s pay everybody else. With the budget that the Republicans laid out, why won’t they just take yes for an answer?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, they say it’s, it’s a whole scale funding, not piecemeal, but–
SEN. WARNER: –If you’re going to fund 95%, as we did to balance the government, why not do the balance of DHS with the exception of ICE?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we will be watching that. Senator Warner, thank you for your time this morning. We’ll be right back.
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