作者：查德·佩格拉姆（Chad Pergram），福克斯新闻
发布时间：2026年2月13日 美国东部时间下午4:46
司法部长帕姆·邦迪（Pam Bondi）在国会大厦走廊的一次简短交流中，就杰弗里·爱泼斯坦（Jeffrey Epstein）、南希·格思里（Nancy Guthrie）和埃尔帕索（El Paso）的相关问题，向福克斯新闻首席国会记者查德·佩格拉姆作出了简短回应。
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几个小时前，当司法部长帕姆·邦迪走出她的车队，大步穿过雷伯恩众议院办公楼的马蹄形入口时，那些塞得满满当当的白色活页夹就出现在了她面前。
《Roll Call》摄影师汤姆·威廉姆斯（Tom Williams）和我站在走廊里，为邦迪的出现位置进行协商。威廉姆斯会站在最远的一侧，我则滑到靠近马蹄形入口的墙壁旁。MS NOW的阿里·维塔利（Ali Vitali）和ABC的杰伊·奥布莱恩（Jay O’Brien）在侧墙工作。
邦迪的一群助手出现了，其中一人被巨大的活页夹缠住了。
“让她进房间吧。”一名助手指示道。
我礼貌地提醒助手，国会山的走廊是开放的，美国国会警察并没有封锁它。因此，向司法部长提问是合理的。
于是，记者、安保人员、美国国会警察、助手和内阁成员之间又展开了一场舞会——这是当他们参加重要国会听证会时的典型场景。
当时，我们还不知道活页夹里装着什么，但你无法忽视它们的巨大体积。
助手在证人作证时为其携带简报手册并不罕见，但自从Kinko’s（现已关门的打印连锁店）倒闭后，就没人见过这么大的活页夹了。
活页夹的内容即将在邦迪向众议院司法委员会作证时成为核心。
但当天早上的第一个问题是向邦迪提问。有太多事情在发生，所有这些都是司法部长可以回答的话题。
说到文件……
邦迪并非专门来作证关于爱泼斯坦文件的。但民主党人——以及一名共和党人——会将司法部发布的部分删改文件作为听证会的焦点。因此，有很多问题要问邦迪。
司法部的爱泼斯坦披露因网站故障、文件缺失和删改问题而受到批评
然而，亚利桑那州有过夜的最新进展：当局在墨西哥边境附近拘留了一名与南希·格思里失踪案有关的人员。邦迪可能了解联邦调查局在这起案件中的角色，这值得一问。
然后，有一个神秘的警报称，官员们将埃尔帕索机场的所有空中交通关闭10天。是否有恐怖主义威胁？是否与贩毒集团有关？最后，有报道称，司法部试图起诉六名民主党议员，因为他们在视频中告诉现役军人不必遵守非法命令。哥伦比亚特区大陪审团拒绝起诉他们中的任何一人。
于是，新闻媒体等待邦迪和她的安保人员穿过门。当她从马蹄形入口走向后面的接待室时，我们大约有一分钟的时间向她连珠炮似的提问。
记者在这种短暂的“边走边谈”中必须策略性地提问：快速、像加特林机枪一样的问题，简洁明了，直奔主题。如果出现在国会山的人物不回答或只作简短回应，要能迅速转向下一个问题。
在另一个世界里，我可能会从爱泼斯坦开始提问。但南希·格思里的故事已经占据了全国数周的头条。昨晚有了新进展。几乎所有的新闻都在国会山的某个角落占据一席之地，南希·格思里的传奇故事也不例外。
我在走廊里走的时候，已经占据了内侧位置，能够在邦迪穿过大楼时靠近她。
“司法部长女士，你对格思里的调查有何评论？目前有什么最新情况吗？”我首先问道。
“是的，我现在不能谈论这个。为萨凡纳（Savannah）和她的家人祈祷。”邦迪回答。
好的，继续下一个问题。
“埃尔帕索发生了什么？为什么关闭机场？你不知道吗？还是你无法评论？”我问。
“我无法讨论。”邦迪回应。
然后是主要问题。
“那爱泼斯坦文件呢？很多议员对一些文件没有完全解密感到不满。你对此有何看法？”我追问。
“我们今天会讨论这个问题。”邦迪回答。
我后退一步，让我的同事有机会提问。
“为什么某些信息被删改，这是否违反法律？为什么某些信息被删改，这是违法的？”维塔利问道。
没有回应。
于是我再次插话，回到最初的问题。
“你有没有得到关于格思里调查的过夜更新？他们昨晚有没有向你通报？你是什么时候第一次得知埃尔帕索情况的？你是什么时候第一次听说埃尔帕索情况的，司法部长女士？”
邦迪沉默了。
记者群沿着走廊移动，摄像师和记者们互相碰撞，向后退。一群安保人员略微挡住了邦迪。
但结束就在眼前。人群接近司法委员会的后门，邦迪很快会右转消失在里面。
正好有时间问最后一个话题。
“那起诉六名议员的尝试呢？对这次失败的大陪审团起诉有何评论？”我大声问道。
“我会把这个问题交给美国检察官皮罗（Pirro）。”邦迪回答，指的是哥伦比亚特区美国检察官让娜·皮罗（Jeannine Pirro），她试图起诉这六名议员。
帕姆·邦迪和民主党人如何将听证会变成歇斯底里——就在杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的受害者面前
2025年11月，在总统特朗普签署《爱泼斯坦文件透明度法案》后，司法部于12月19日发布了大量爱泼斯坦相关文件。（Joe Schildhorn/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images）
“你知道为什么会失败吗？”我问道。
但时间到了。
邦迪没有回答这个问题，而是在安保人员的陪同下右转，退进了接待室。
当已故主持人蒂姆·拉瑟特（Tim Russert）在NBC主持《Meet the Press》时，有时会吹嘘他们能让副总统或国务卿“接受整整一小时的采访”。
与邦迪的交流只是这一时间的一小部分，仅持续了1分3秒（从美国东部时间上午9:42:03到9:43:06）。提问效率很高，邦迪也回答了问题，但并没有推进任何故事。不过，提出问题并将交流记录在镜头下仍然是一项富有成效的练习。有时国会新闻媒体甚至从未见到重要证人的到场，或者即使见到了，他们也不会回应问题。
一群助手溜进了司法委员会的套房，其中一名助手像拖着一堆圣诞礼物一样拖着巨大的活页夹。
这些活页夹即将成为美国政治史上最著名的卷宗，就像前参议员米特·罗姆尼（Mitt Romney，R-UT）在2012年与奥巴马总统辩论时宣称他有“一整箱女性”一样。
听证会将在几分钟后开始，并通过多个电视频道现场直播。活页夹的用途很快变得清晰：每个活页夹都包含众议院司法委员会所有民主党成员的档案。邦迪会在每个活页夹中找到特定部分，挖掘可以用来回击台上民主党人的内容——有时是关于他们的投票记录，有时是关于其所在地区的执法或移民问题。邦迪经常对民主党人和众议员托马斯·梅西（Thomas Massie，R-KY）进行人身攻击。她称梅西是“失败的政客”，并把委员会最高民主党人杰米·拉斯金（Jamie Raskin，D-MD）称为“过气的失败者律师”。
美国众议员托马斯·梅西（R-KY）在华盛顿特区国会山举行的众议院司法委员会关于“司法部监督”的听证会上质问美国司法部长帕姆·邦迪。（ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP via Getty）
佛罗里达州民主党众议员杰里德·莫斯科维茨（Jared Moskowitz）试图引诱邦迪，让她“给出你的最佳”反对研究资料，然后佛罗里达民主党人会对邦迪工作人员编造的内容进行评分。
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听证会演变成了五个小时的争吵、尖叫和混乱，这是近期记忆中最混乱、最嘈杂的听证会之一。这场闹剧说明了很多问题。
所有这些都可以填满一叠超大型活页夹。
查德·佩格拉姆目前担任福克斯新闻频道（FNC）首席国会记者。他于2007年9月加入该网络，总部设在华盛顿特区。
Attorney General Bondi deflected queries about Nancy Guthrie case and El Paso airport closure during brief Capitol Hill scrum
By Chad Pergram, Fox News
Published February 13, 2026 4:46pm EST
Attorney General Pam Bondi briefly answered questions from Fox News chief congressional correspondent Chad Pergram on Jeffrey Epstein, Nancy Guthrie and El Paso during a Capitol hallway exchange.
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The overstuffed white binders appeared a few moments before Attorney General Pam Bondi exited her motorcade, and strode through the horseshoe entrance of the Rayburn House Office Building.
Roll Call photographer Tom Williams and I stood in the hallway, negotiating our positions for Bondi’s entrance. Williams would position himself on the far side. I slid to the wall nearest the horseshoe entrance. Ali Vitali of MS NOW and Jay O’Brien of ABC worked the sidewall.
A coterie of Bondi’s aides appeared. One bogged down by the massive binders.
BONDI HEARING DEVOLVES INTO CHAOS OF SHOUTS AS AG ACCUSES TOP DEMOCRATS OF ‘THEATRICS’
Attorney General Pam Bondi arrives at the Rayburn House Office Building on Capitol Hill and takes questions from Fox News chief congressional correspondent Chad Pergram ahead of a House hearing.(Tom Williams)
“Let her get into the room,” instructed the aide.
I politely reminded the aide that the corridor was an open hallway on Capitol Hill. It wasn’t closed off by the U.S. Capitol Police. So, tossing questions at the Attorney General was fair game.
And, thus began another dance between reporters, security details, the U.S. Capitol Police, aides and Cabinet members when they appear for major Congressional hearings.
At the time, we had no clue what was in the binders. But you couldn’t ignore the sheer size of them.
It’s not uncommon for aides to haul in briefing books for a principal when they testify. However, no one has seen binders like this since Kinko’s was still in business.
The contents of what the binders contained was about to play a central role in Bondi’s testimony to the House Judiciary Committee.
But the first charge of the morning was to query Bondi. There was so much going on. All of which were subjects that the Attorney General could address.
Speaking of files…
Bondi wasn’t there to testify about the Epstein files, per se. But Democrats – and one Republican – would make the Justice Department’s release of partially redacted documents the focus of the hearing. So there was plenty to ask Bondi about that.
DOJ’S EPSTEIN DISCLOSURE DRAWS FIRE FOR WEBSITE GLITCHES, MISSING DOCUMENTS, REDACTIONS
Attorney General Pam Bondi arrives at the Rayburn House Office Building on Capitol Hill and takes questions from Fox News chief congressional correspondent Chad Pergram ahead of a House hearing.(Tom Williams)
However, there were overnight developments from Arizona. Authorities detained a person near the Mexico border in connection with the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. What Bondi might know about the FBI’s role in this was worth a question.
Then, there was a cryptic alert that officials were shutting off the airport in El Paso to all air traffic for ten days. Was there a threat of terrorism? Something about cartels? Finally, a story broke overnight that the Justice Department sought to indict six Democratic lawmakers for their video telling service members they didn’t have to comply with unlawful orders. A District of Columbia grand jury refused to indict any of them.
So the press corps waited for Bondi and her security detail to breeze through the door. We’d have about a minute to pepper her with questions as she walked from the horseshoe entrance to a back anteroom.
Reporters must be strategic with such brief “walk-and-talks.” Rapid, Gatling gun-like questions. Succinct. Straight to the point. And agile enough to skip to the next line of inquiry if the figure arriving on Capitol Hill doesn’t answer or gives a brief response.
In another universe, I may have started with Epstein. But the Nancy Guthrie story has consumed the nation for weeks now. There was a development overnight. Nearly every story on the planet always occupies a lane somewhere on Capitol Hill. The Nancy Guthrie saga was no exception.
I had positioned myself on the inside track as we walked down the hall. Able to sidle up close to Bondi as she moved through the building.
“Madam Attorney General, any comment about the investigation of Guthrie? Any update on that right now?” I began, getting to Bondi first.
“Yeah, I can’t talk about that now. Praying for Savannah and her family,” replied Bondi.
Check. Moving on.
“What happened in El Paso? Why did they close off El Paso? Is that something you don’t know about? Or you just can’t comment?” I asked.
“I cant discuss it,” responded Bondi.
EPSTEIN FILES EXPLODE OPEN AS DOJ DETAILS DISCOVERY OF POWERFUL FIGURES AND MORE THAN 1,200 VICTIMS
Attorney General Pam Bondi testifies before a House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Feb. 11, 2026, in Washington, as Jeffrey Epstein survivors, stand left.(Tom Brenner/AP Photo)
Then, the main event.
“And what about the Epstein files? A lot of members have been upset that some of these files have not been fully unredacted. What do you say to that?” I inquired.
“We’re going to discuss that today,” answered Bondi.
I backed off to allow my colleagues a chance to pose questions.
“But why was certain information redacted that’s against the nature of the law? Why was certain information redacted that’s against the law?” asked Vitali.
No response.
So I tagged back in, returning to the initial lines of questioning.
“Did you get any updates overnight on the Guthrie investigation? Were they keeping you informed overnight on that? And when did you first find out about the El Paso situation? When did you first hear about the El Paso situation, Madam Attorney General?”
Bondi was silent.
The scrum processed down the hall, camera operators and reporters bumping all over one another, edging backwards. A semi-blob of security personnel slightly shielded Bondi.
But the end was near. The throng approached the backdoor to the Judiciary Committee. Bondi would soon turn right and disappear inside.
Just enough time for one final topic.
“What about the attempt to prosecute the six lawmakers? Any comment on that failed grand jury indictment?” I hollered.
“I’ll refer that to U.S. Attorney Pirro,” replied Bondi, referring to U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jeannine Pirro, who tried to indict the six.
HOW PAM BONDI AND THE DEMOCRATS TURNED A HEARING INTO HYSTERIA, RIGHT IN FRONT OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S VICTIMS
The Department of Justice released a trove of Epstein documents on Dec. 19 following President Trump’s signature on the Epstein Files Transparency Act in Nov. 2025.(Joe Schildhorn/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)
“Do you know why that went wrong?” I asked.
But that was it. The shot clock expired.
Bondi ignored the question, turning right with her security detail and retreating into the anteroom.
When he hosted Meet the Press on NBC, late host Tim Russert would sometimes boast that they had the Vice President or Secretary of State “for the whole hour.”
The exchanges with Bondi were a fraction of that, consuming a meager one minute and three seconds. From 9:42:03 am et until 9:43:06 am et. There was efficient questioning. And Bondi fielded the questions. But there wasn’t a lot which advanced any of the stories. Still, it’s important to pose the questions and get the exchanges on camera. That made it a productive exercise. Sometimes the Capitol press corps never even sees the big witnesses arrive. Or if we do, they don’t even respond to questions.
The group of aides ducked into the Judiciary Committee suite, one aide lugging the ginormous binders like a stack of Christmas presents.
These binders were about to become the most famous folios in American politics since former Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) proclaimed he had “binders full of women” during a 2012 debate with President Obama.
The hearing would start a few moments later, carried live on multiple TV networks. The purpose of the binders soon became clear. Each binder contained dossiers on every single Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. Bondi would turn to a specific section in each binder, mining for barbs to lob back at Democrats on the dais. Sometimes about their voting history. Sometimes about a law enforcement or immigration issue in their district. Bondi frequently lashed Democrats – and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) – with ad hominem attacks. She derided Massie as a “failed politician.” She called Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD), the top Democrat on the panel “a washed-up, loser lawyer.”
US Representative Thomas Massie, Republican from Kentucky, questions US Attorney General Pam Bondi before a House Judiciary Committee hearing on “Oversight of the Department of Justice” on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on Feb. 11, 2026.(ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP via Getty)
Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) tried to bait Bondi, asking her to “give me your best” bit of opposition research. The Florida Democrat would then grade what Bondi’s staff concocted.
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The hearing devolved into five hours of shouting, screaming and mayhem. One of the most chaotic, cacophonous hearings in recent memory. The spectacle spoke volumes.
All of which could fill a stack of overstuffed binders.
Chad Pergram currently serves as Chief Congressional Correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC). He joined the network in September 2007 and is based out of Washington, D.C.
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