文字实录:马里兰州民主党参议员克里斯·范·霍伦做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目,2026年5月24日
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2026-05-24T14:08:49-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
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以下是马里兰州民主党参议员克里斯·范·霍伦的访谈实录,该访谈于2026年5月24日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
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南希·科德斯:我们接下来采访马里兰州民主党参议员克里斯·范·霍伦。参议员,非常感谢您做客我们节目。
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参议员克里斯·范·霍伦:很高兴能和您连线,南希。
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南希·科德斯:我想强调一下,目前所有情况都还在演变中。我们从美国和伊朗方面听到的协议条款略有不同,但就您目前听到的内容,您有什么看法?
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范·霍伦参议员:嗯,南希,这场针对伊朗的战争从一开始就是个重大失误。总统本应坚守他竞选时承诺的让我们远离战争,专注于压低物价。但他却背道而驰。物价在上涨,利率在上升,我们还深陷这场伊朗战争。当你在挖洞的时候,就应该停下来。这份协议听起来就是这样。听起来我们会重新开放霍尔木兹海峡,当然,开战前这个海峡一直是开放的。不过我得说,伊朗似乎会保留对该海峡更多的控制权。我们也知道,伊朗现在的政权比之前更强硬,而我们还在讨论解冻伊朗的部分冻结资产。所以,我的看法是,正如我刚才所说,停止继续深陷其中。
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南希·科德斯:我想问问本周在国会两党都引发巨大争议的一件事:司法部新设的反武器化基金。该基金拨款近18亿美元,用于那些声称自己遭到联邦政府不公平对待的人。你一直称这是一个政治分肥基金。你正试图迫使共和党人就为该基金设置一些护栏进行投票。你所说的护栏具体指什么?
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范·霍伦参议员:嗯,南希,首先我们应该彻底取消这个政治分肥基金,这可是18亿美元的纳税人资金。但我一直提议修正案,禁止例如在1月6日骚乱中袭击警察的人有资格申领该基金。那些被定罪的恋童癖者,也不应该有资格申领该基金。国会议员同样不应该有资格申领该基金。我希望所有共和党人,包括共和党候选人,都能明确反对这个总统为这些目的设立的分肥基金。
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南希·科德斯:本周你就袭击警察的人是否有资格申领该基金的问题,向代理司法部长提出了质询。我本周也询问了总统同样的问题。他并没有表示这些人会被排除在外。参议院共和党人对此非常愤怒,本周在闭门会议上狠狠批评了代理司法部长。你认为国会中是否有足够的意愿来取消这个基金?具体又该如何操作?
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范·霍伦参议员:嗯,我希望如此,南希。我认为大多数共和党人更恼火的是,这个基金打乱了他们推动通过和解法案的努力,该法案将为移民海关执法局再提供700亿美元纳税人资金。我觉得那才是他们最不满的地方,他们选择离开国会山,因为他们不想就我和其他议员提出的这些修正案进行投票。我们拭目以待最终结果如何。我们应该彻底取消这个政治分肥基金,我们会在返回国会后坚持就这些修正案进行投票。
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南希·科德斯:一位资深政府官员告诉我,目前正在开展一些紧急工作,以解决共和党人对该基金提出的担忧,但他们坚称自己有权这么做,并且实际上他们已经有能力进行这些拨款,而且他们正在通过制定规则、任命专员等方式让流程更加透明。你对这种说法怎么看?
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范·霍伦参议员:嗯,这太荒谬了,这项计划从一开始就充满腐败。我的意思是,这本质上就是特朗普总统通过代理司法部长——也就是特朗普前私人律师——为自己谈判。他们设置了规则,完全掌控这个五人委员会,特朗普总统可以随时解雇其中任何一名成员,所以这完全在他们的掌控之中,就是一个分肥基金,而且南希,他们并没有承诺会完全透明。代理司法部长拒绝透露他们会公开所有领取这些纳税人资金的人员名单。所以我们要明确,这是一场腐败交易,在此过程中,总统当然拿到了一张彻底的“免罪金牌”,无需缴纳任何他应缴的税款,这是这项交易中又一个腐败之处。
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南希·科德斯:我想问问你一直密切参与的一起案件,本周这起案件有了重大进展。一名法官驳回了对来自你家乡马里兰州的基尔马尔·阿布雷戈·加西亚的联邦人口走私指控。在他被错误驱逐到萨尔瓦多并被关押在CECOT超级监狱后,你曾前往萨尔瓦多探望过他。这名法官表示,司法部对他的起诉是报复性的,而司法部现在表示计划提起上诉。你和他或他的家人联系过吗?他们对这一判决有什么感受?
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范·霍伦参议员:南希,我已经和他以及他的妻子詹妮弗取得了联系,他们当然对法院依法裁决感到高兴。这绝对是一起报复性起诉。这名法官称这本质上是权力滥用,因为特朗普政府在他决定行使正当法律程序和宪法权利后,对他提起了新的指控。他们已经承认错误地将他遣返回萨尔瓦多,而他对此提出了抗议,当然他现在已经回国了。他们仍在试图驱逐他,但他根据宪法提出了申诉。所以这起案件不仅仅关乎基尔马尔·阿布雷戈·加西亚一人。这实际上关乎我们每一个人的权利,当特朗普政府出于报复对他提起诉讼时,他们也在进一步威胁我们所有人的权利。
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南希·科德斯:我们还剩大约一分钟时间,但我想问问本周民主党全国委员会终于发布的选举复盘报告。你是否从这份复盘报告中找到了民主党在2024年失利的原因?你认为民主党全国委员会主席是否应该为此辞职?
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范·霍伦参议员:嗯,南希,这份报告做得非常糟糕,内容也不完整。我能理解肯·马丁之前为什么不愿发布这份报告,但正如他所说,他要为这个问题负责。他本应该早点撕开绷带,把报告公之于众。不,距离一场至关重要的选举还有六个月,我们现在不应该换人马。我得说,报告的整体基调表明,我们不能仅仅回到特朗普上台前的状态,而且我从一开始就说过,民主党第二次输给唐纳德·特朗普这样的人,显然是一场失败。我们需要向美国民众明确,我们理解他们在财务和经济上的困境,以及他们日常的挣扎,并且我们会采取行动解决这些问题。我们会为他们而战,对抗那些试图破坏公平竞争环境的强大特殊利益集团。
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南希·科德斯:马里兰州参议员克里斯·范·霍伦。非常感谢您今天上午做客我们节目。非常感谢。
Transcript: Sen. Chris Van Hollen on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” May 24, 2026
2026-05-24T14:08:49-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Chris Van Hollen, Democrat of Maryland, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on May 24, 2026.
NANCY CORDES: We turn now to Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen. Senator, thank you so much for being with me.
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: It’s good to be with you, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: So, I want to stress that all of this is still evolving. We’re getting slightly different takes on the terms of the deal from the Americans and the Iranians, but what do you think about what you’ve heard so far?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, this war against Iran has been a big blunder from the very start. The president should have stuck to his campaign pledge of keeping us out of war and focused on bringing down prices. He’s done just the opposite. Prices are going up, interest rates are going up, and we’re mired in this war in Iran. And when you’re digging a hole, you should stop digging. That’s what this agreement sounds like. It sounds like we will go back to opening the Strait of Hormuz, which, of course, was open before the war started. I will say, however, it looks like Iran will retain more control over those straits. We also know Iran has an even more hardline regime in place now, and we’re talking about releasing some of Iran’s frozen assets. So, look, my view is, as I said, stop digging.
NANCY CORDES: I want to ask you about something that stirred up a lot of controversy on both sides of the aisle on Capitol Hill this week, the DOJ new anti-weaponization fund. Nearly $1.8 billion set aside for people who say they were treated unfairly by the federal government. You’ve been calling it a political slush fund. You are trying to force Republicans to take a vote on placing some guardrails around that fund. What kind of guardrails are you talking about?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, first we should get rid of this political slush fund, $1.8 billion of taxpayer money. But I have been proposing amendments to prohibit, for example, people who rioted on January 6 and assaulted police officers from being eligible for the fund. People who have been convicted of child molestation, they should not be eligible for the fund. Members of Congress should not be eligible for the fund. And I would hope all Republicans, including Republican candidates, should come out strongly against this slush fund, which the President has set up for these purposes.
NANCY CORDES: You pushed the acting Attorney General this week on that question of whether people who attacked police officers would be eligible for the fund. I asked the President about that this week as well. He did not say that those people would be ineligible. Senate Republicans were very angry about this, and they really gave it to the attorney- acting Attorney General, behind closed doors this week. Do you think that there is an appetite for trying to get rid of this fund in Congress? And how would that even work?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Well, I hope so, Nancy. I think most Republicans are more upset about the fact that this interrupted their effort to pass this reconciliation bill with another $70 billion of taxpayer funds for ICE. I think that’s what upset them the most, and they decided to leave town because they didn’t want to have to vote on these amendments that I’ve proposed, and others have proposed, so we’ll see how this all turns out. We should get rid of this political slush fund altogether, and we will insist on having these votes when we get back.
NANCY CORDES: I’ve been told by a senior administration official that there are now some urgent efforts underway to address the concerns that Republicans have raised about this fund, but they continue to insist they’ve got the right to do this, and that in fact they already have the ability to make these payouts, and if anything, they’re making the process more transparent by coming up with rules, by appointing commissioners, and all the rest. What do you think of that argument?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Well, that’s absurd, and this was really corrupt from the start. I mean, this is essentially President Trump negotiating with President Trump through the acting Attorney General, who was Trump’s former personal lawyer. They set it up so they have complete control over the five members of this commission that can be selected, President Trump can fire any of them whenever he wants, and so this is completely under their control, a slush fund, and they’ve not committed, Nancy, to being completely transparent. The acting Attorney General refused to say that they would disclose the names of all the people who received these taxpayer funds. So let’s be clear, this is a corrupt deal, and in the process the president, of course, got a complete get out of free- get out of jail free card with respect to any taxes that he has due in owing, another corrupt part of this deal.
NANCY CORDES: I want to ask you about a case that you’ve been heavily involved in, and there was a big development this week. A judge threw out the federal human smuggling charges against Kilmar Abrego Garcia of your home state, Maryland. You visited him in El Salvador after he was wrongfully deported to that country, placed in the supermax prison CECOT. The judge said that DOJ’s prosecution of him was vindictive, and DOJ now says it plans to appeal. Have you spoken to him or his family? How are they feeling about this decision?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Nancy, I have spoken to him and his wife, Jennifer, and they’re of course pleased that the court system have applied the law. This was absolutely a vindictive prosecution. The judge called it essentially an abuse of power, because the Trump administration brought these new charges against him, because he decided to exercise his due process and process and constitutional rights. They had admitted that they had wrongfully disappeared him to El Salvador, and he contested that, and of course he is now back. They’re still trying to deport him, but he filed his claims under the Constitution. And so this case is not about Kilmar Abrego Garcia alone. This is really about the rights of each and every one of us, and when the Trump administration decided to vindictive- vindictively prosecute him for that, they were further threatening the rights of all of us.
NANCY CORDES: We’ve got about a minute left, but I want to ask you about this election autopsy that was finally released by the Democratic National Committee this week. Do you feel like you got any answers from that autopsy on why the Democrats lost in 2024? And do you believe that the head of the DNC should resign over this?
SEN. VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, this is a very shoddy piece of work. It’s an incomplete piece of work, and I can understand why Ken Martin was reluctant to release it earlier, but as he has said, he owns this problem. He should have just ripped the band aid off earlier and put it out. No, we’re six months from a very important election, and we should not be changing horses at this time. I will say that the overall thrust of the report indicates that you know we should not just go back to the pre-Trump status quo, and I’ve said from the beginning it was a failure, obviously, for the Democratic Party to lose to someone like Donald Trump a second time. We need to be clear to the American people that we understand their- their financial and economic pain, and their daily struggles, and that we’re going to do something about it. We’re going to fight for them, and we’re going to fight against the special interests, very powerful special interests who try to stack the deck against them.
NANCY CORDES: Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. I appreciate it.
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